Corvinus85 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 House sigil? Well the Targaryen sigil with its four-legged dragon. House Stark and its different sigil because making an entire direwolf was apparently too hard. As for the houses themselves: House Tyrell with their history of sucking at fighting. House Lannister with their lack of gold. House Manderly with their lack of loyalty and faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 2:08 PM, The hairy bear said: Stannis was portrayed in some scenes as a religious fanatic, in others as a stubborn conservative, in others as a fierce defender of Shireen, etc. And it's fine that he has multiple facets. The problem is the how they were changed randomly, at the service of the requirements of the particular scene he was in. I one scene he was an skeptic and contradicted Melisandre, in the next one he seemed to follow her without hesitation, and in most he just was there without voicing any opinion. The way good writers develop a character is by creating arcs. If you know (as the D&D knew) that Stannis will end burning his daughter as a sacrifice to R'hllor, you should show us how he gradually becomes more and more desperate, and throws himself more and more at Melisandre's hands. They should have showed how Renly's death, the defeat at the Blackwater, the death of the three rival kings, etc. changed his relation with Melisandre and made him a believer. Even failing to do that beforehand, once you are about to have a character murder her daughter, you should try to give him a sensible reason. We are talking about Stannis, who resisted the siege of Storm's End, refusing to surrender even when they had to resort to eat rats, and all that for a brother he didn't even like. Are we to believe that this man would kill his daughter at the first complication? If they want us to swallow that, they should have put a much greater effort to show how the situation was desperate. Show us how they tried for alternatives before. Show us how Stannis really is struggling with the decision. And most of all, do not insult the viewers by having Ramsay cause this supposedly inescapable situation with only "20 good men". I don't know if you are aware that Stephen Dillane agrees that the character of Stannis was awfully written. He had harsh criticism for D&D after leaving the show, complaining that he could make no sense of what was written for him. He also says that no one was giving him directions on the character, and he admits he was lucky that Liam Cunningham- Davos (a fan of the books) was there to explain him how was Stannis supposed to behave at any time. Which is ironic, because D&D had actually asked to the actors not to read the books. Well I guess they didn't do that much of a job to get the actors not to read the books; Ian McElhinney (Barristan Selmy) read them and was highly disappointed when he was killed in Season 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corum Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Stannis Baratheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyWillow Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Ser Barristan Selmy. Barristan the Bold, former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. This was the man who in the books did a solo rescue mission in Duskendale. He was crucial to ending the Blackfyre Rebellion. Jaime effing Lannister squired for him. In the later seasons I kept thinking, man, if only Daenerys still had Barristan Selmy around, they wouldn't have concocted all those dreadful battle tactics we saw in the show. We would have seen several trenches filled with hurdles for the undead. The Dothraki would still have their riders. And most importantly they wouldn't have lost two dragons before reaching King's Landing. That was where I felt the lost of Stannis and Barristan, but mostly Barristan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilac & Gooseberries Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Stannis, Dorne, Stark, Varys, Northern lords and Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkagosHead Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 At least a lot of other Houses/characters were good in the early seasons. Dorne was almost entirely redundant (Red Viper excluded) and "The Adventures of Bronn and Jamie" in S5 were one of the clearest signs of the show's demise and D&D being bereft of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I would've liked for more of a story on Rickon instead of having Ramsay kill him off in the BoB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShimShim Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The Greyjoys, look what they did to my boy Euron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Arya - I dont think she's going to kill off an entire House at once like her Zombie mom wants to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 A much better question would be: "Which characters were not ruined"? I think it's mostly those who died early. Viserys was done well. Khal Drogo, Robert Baratheon, too. Ned Stark was mostly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 The Starks and Lannisters got mauled pretty badly, but it at least didn't go extinct like House Martell and House Tyrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 3:53 PM, Jaenara Belarys said: The Starks and Lannisters got mauled pretty badly, but it at least didn't go extinct like House Martell and House Tyrell Well, they're all set to die out anyways. There's no Lannisters left aside from Tyrion and maybe Reginald, while among the Starks, Jon can't father children because of his vows, Bran physically can't have kids, Arya isn't the mothering type, and according to her actress, Sansa's going to live out her life and not have kids... leaving things up to a succession crisis when she dies (this is my supposition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefae Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Just the sigil? The Stark sigil on the show looks lame. It's not even a snow white field, it's just beige with some green. It's not a running direwolf, it's just the head. Way to get the "winter is coming" motto wrong. I also can't stand that the sigil of House Targaryen in the show has taken over the books as well. The show in general goes for very muted colours for the sigils. Kind of symptomatic to the muted colours in the clothes of the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTSeriesfan Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Daenerys was the only monarch who desired the wheel broken and she was condemned to being a tyrant for it by an evil despot. Will there be justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 On reflection, I think Jon was treated worst. Degraded from hero to spineless, treacherous worm, by the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 The house that got screwed over the most was arguably the Tyrells, since they were completely obliterated. Martell may or may not have gone extinct, depending on which house the "new prince of Dorne" was from. The Baratheons were also treated pretty terribly, although they were resurrected via Gendry. The show also killed off the Mormonts, the Boltons. . . were there others? I think the female Freys are still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 2/5/2020 at 12:53 AM, Raksha 2014 said: House Martell, apparently obliterated with no consequences (i.e. their Dornish vassals ousting the bastard Ellaria and her accomplices in the murders of a reigning prince and his only heir - tolerating bastards is one thing, allowing three of them to murder a prince and his son is another). And what happened to Oberyn's younger daughters (in the show, as in the books, he has eight daughters); did they disappear? Unless the unnamed Dornish guy who turns up at the council in King's Landing in the last episode is a distant Martell cousin; but they don't even say who he is. My headcanon is that's Quentyn Martell and he's coming back from COMPLETELY MISSING Daenerys. Giving him the happy ending he deserved. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9rM_J8CMAAJ2Kg.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 By the way, who is the guy representing Dorne at the big council in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: By the way, who is the guy representing Dorne at the big council in the end? Who knows? He could be Ser Whosit of Whocares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 On 7/31/2022 at 4:43 PM, Angel Eyes said: Who knows? He could be Ser Whosit of Whocares. This kind of summarizes why no one wants to defend Season 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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