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Wondered whose fan favorite character or house sigil was mutilated the worst by the Game of Thrones series as a whole in your opinion? 

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On 9/12/2019 at 9:29 PM, terloublag said:

Wondered whose fan favorite character or house sigil was mutilated the worst by the Game of Thrones series as a whole in your opinion? 

That’s a very hard question, since they all got mutilated pretty badly.

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Little Finger was the most wasted for me. I think he would have played a great role in the politics. But House Targaryen got the worst conclusion to me.

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On 9/25/2019 at 1:45 AM, Ghostlydragon said:

Stark, Lannister, Baratheon and Targaryen houses so pretty much all the major characters :D

Saying that The Starks, The Targaryens, The Lannisters and  The Baratheons were mutilated the most when Houses Martell, Greyjoy, Tyrell and Tully exist is not right tbh. 

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On 9/13/2019 at 3:29 AM, terloublag said:

Wondered whose fan favorite character or house sigil was mutilated the worst by the Game of Thrones series as a whole in your opinion? 

I tremendously enjoyed seasons 1-7 and quite a lot enjoyed season 8 as well. You are much to focused on (a) expecting books and show to be in close sync, and (b) focusing on the bad aspects of the final season rather than the great aspects of the best TV show ever so far. Game of Thrones had a substandard conlcusion, yes, that is unfortunate, but GoT is still an excellent show.

On 9/25/2019 at 12:45 AM, Ghostlydragon said:

Stark, Lannister, Baratheon and Targaryen houses so pretty much all the major characters :D

I don't see where House Stark is supposed to have been mutilated? Sansa and Arya are the main protagonists with nice and expected and book-synced endings as Queen of the North and as Adventuress into West of Westeros. Perfect ending for both of them. Bran is King and wil be King in the books as well. House Stark was not ruined at all, but got what GRRM intended for it and the storyline.

House Lannister was not ruined as well. Jamie's arc of redemption was broken, but I like that it is no Hollywoodish but closer to real-life with shortcomings. Cersei's fate was clear for a long time in the show.

House Targaryen had the percect fate. was is ruined about Daenerys being killed after turning Mad Queen? Very many expected this for quite some seasons and the ending really makes sense.

House Baratheon has not been ruined in the sense of bad writing but in the sense of ill fate. Shit happens and it surely happened to House Baratheon. Show-Stannis was different from the books, but I like the show version. 

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On 9/26/2019 at 4:58 PM, terloublag said:

Little Finger was the most wasted for me. I think he would have played a great role in the politics. But House Targaryen got the worst conclusion to me.

I think Littlefinger had a few things that were left hanging that I think would have been interesting. One is the conversation he has with Sansa in the crypts in Season 5, where he insinuates that Lyanna may not have left with Rhaegar unwillingly and as we see in the Season 7 finale, we see that Lyanna was willing. I think it could have been possible that Petyr, who might have been on the road after being sent away from Riverrun, deliberately mixed up the message to get Brandon Stark killed, and unintentionally set off Robert's Rebellion.

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Greyjoys - and possibly the Others (if the books ever finish).

But from what of the writing is released, the book Greyjoys suffered the most compared to their onscreen counterparts.

Think about it - the other houses were reasonably accurately represented. Greedy Lannisters. Stoic Starks. Righteous Targs. Broken Baratheons. Even the separatist Sandsnakes and pointlessly proud Dornish had some representation on screen. But the warmongering Greyjoys were totally muted, castrated even, in the visual version of this tale. Euron was a pathetic interpretation of his book self and Victarion was dismissed entirely. Sure, the show paid some creedence to Asha (Yara) and Theon but I doubt the books would end with Bran telling dick-less he was a good man. The Greyjoys were the most muted, by far.

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On 10/5/2019 at 7:00 AM, Kajjo said:

House Targaryen had the percect fate. was is ruined about Daenerys being killed after turning Mad Queen? Very many expected this for quite some seasons and the ending really makes sense.

Ummm, you're forgetting Jon/"Aegon Targaryen" who got screwed of anything remotely resembling a perfect fate.....

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House Martell, apparently obliterated with no consequences (i.e. their Dornish vassals ousting the bastard Ellaria and her accomplices in the murders of a reigning prince and his only heir - tolerating bastards is one thing, allowing three of them to murder a prince and his son is another).  And what happened to Oberyn's younger daughters (in the show, as in the books, he has eight daughters); did they disappear?  Unless the unnamed Dornish guy who turns up at the council in King's Landing in the last episode is a distant Martell cousin; but they don't even say who he is.

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On 10/5/2019 at 1:00 PM, Kajjo said:

I don't see where House Stark is supposed to have been mutilated? Sansa and Arya are the main protagonists with nice and expected and book-synced endings as Queen of the North and as Adventuress into West of Westeros. Perfect ending for both of them. Bran is King and wil be King in the books as well. House Stark was not ruined at all, but got what GRRM intended for it and the storyline.

House Lannister was not ruined as well. Jamie's arc of redemption was broken, but I like that it is no Hollywoodish but closer to real-life with shortcomings. Cersei's fate was clear for a long time in the show.

House Targaryen had the percect fate. was is ruined about Daenerys being killed after turning Mad Queen? Very many expected this for quite some seasons and the ending really makes sense.

House Baratheon has not been ruined in the sense of bad writing but in the sense of ill fate. Shit happens and it surely happened to House Baratheon. Show-Stannis was different from the books, but I like the show version. 

You seem to consider that the only important thing is "the fate" of the characters. That the issue that's being discussed is the adequacy of the ending points of each one. That people claiming that a character has been "ruined" is just complaining that the resolution of a particular storyline is not to their taste. And it's not the case.

When people says that a given character has been ruined, what they mean is that they have been depleted of their depth, their agency, their consistency.  Their characterization itself, in fact. The writers did not wrote them as real people, and they became mere instruments to advance the plot.

The problem is not that Dany became a Mad Queen. In fact, the story of Dany falling 'to the dark side' could be very interesting and I'm sure George will be able to do it justice. But what we saw in the show just didn't work at any level. I don't know if they are incapable of doing character development, or they believe that it's much better to dismiss it because of SHOCK effect, but they ruined Dany in the process.

It's the same with everything else. I don't care whether Jaime earns his redemption or not, ends with Cersei or not. I only ask that his actions make sense, and that any 'change of heart' is appropriately justified. If Ellaria has to murder Oberyn's brother, niece and nephew, at least give her some justification. If Stannis has to burn her daughter alive, put some effort in presenting him as someone who would do that beforehand.

On 10/5/2019 at 1:00 PM, Kajjo said:

the best TV show ever so far.

Ehhhh. Come on. You are not speaking seriously, are you?

I mean, we can all weight the strengths and weaknesses of GoT, and I can certainly see why one could claim it's a great show. But I don't see how it can be argued it's above of The Wire, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos,...

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5 hours ago, The hairy bear said:

You seem to consider that the only important thing is "the fate" of the characters. That the issue that's being discussed is the adequacy of the ending points of each one. That people claiming that a character has been "ruined" is just complaining that the resolution of a particular storyline is not to their taste. And it's not the case.

When people says that a given character has been ruined, what they mean is that they have been depleted of their depth, their agency, their consistency.  Their characterization itself, in fact. The writers did not wrote them as real people, and they became mere instruments to advance the plot.

The problem is not that Dany became a Mad Queen. In fact, the story of Dany falling 'to the dark side' could be very interesting and I'm sure George will be able to do it justice. But what we saw in the show just didn't work at any level. I don't know if they are incapable of doing character development, or they believe that it's much better to dismiss it because of SHOCK effect, but they ruined Dany in the process.

It's the same with everything else. I don't care whether Jaime earns his redemption or not, ends with Cersei or not. I only ask that his actions make sense, and that any 'change of heart' is appropriately justified. If Ellaria has to murder Oberyn's brother, niece and nephew, at least give her some justification. If Stannis has to burn her daughter alive, put some effort in presenting him as someone who would do that beforehand.

Well in Stannis' case D&D just didn't like him and once they thought they hit all the necessary boxes that Stannis needed to hit up to the end of Season 4 and ASOS, they decided to make him do one of the more despicable things you could do in Westeros: have your child killed, and for what?

In the case of Dany becoming a Mad Queen, why Dany? Didn't we already have a Mad Queen who already had a large number of people incinerated in one go?

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I'd say House Tyrell is the house that got the most ruined. Canonically and even for a large part of the show they were depicted as one of the most powerful houses. Their support immediately made Renly a real player in the Game of Thrones, and their alliance with the Lannisters turned the war in their favor. Before the story they were also the sole house to defeat Robert in battle and they were able to recruit the largest army by a significant margin. 

But in season 7 it turns out that even a heavily weakened Cercei can just casually walk into the Reach and steamroll the entire region with no difficulty. Tywin spend three seasons fighting the Starks but Cersei could easily crush house Tyrell in a single episode. Golden Roses indeed. 

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1 hour ago, Daemon of the Blacks said:

I'd say House Tyrell is the house that got the most ruined. Canonically and even for a large part of the show they were depicted as one of the most powerful houses. Their support immediately made Renly a real player in the Game of Thrones, and their alliance with the Lannisters turned the war in their favor. Before the story they were also the sole house to defeat Robert in battle and they were able to recruit the largest army by a significant margin. 

But in season 7 it turns out that even a heavily weakened Cercei can just casually walk into the Reach and steamroll the entire region with no difficulty. Tywin spend three seasons fighting the Starks but Cersei could easily crush house Tyrell in a single episode. Golden Roses indeed. 

I'm not quite sure how they got steamrolled like that. The Tyrells are also connected with a couple other houses, and I'm not sure why they didn't help since they were family; Olenna was a Redwyne and Mace's wife was a Hightower.

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