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1 minute ago, Triskele said:

That jumped out to me too.  I was like "now that we're reviewing PI's how was that PI not reviewed given the situation?"  

Don't want to take anything away from Eagles who played so well, and no guarantee that Green Bay would have won, but wtf on commentators not even saying anything.  

I know it's not what you wanna hear after a loss, but I can't stand when that kinda play is called PI. Yes, he made contact. But he did not seriously impact the receiver and was playing the ball. The rules already favor the offense too much.

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6 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I know it's not what you wanna hear after a loss, but I can't stand when that kinda play is called PI. Yes, he made contact. But he did not seriously impact the receiver and was playing the ball. The rules already favor the offense too much.

That's a fair response, all good.  Just seeing it again now on SVP...it's a letter of the law v. spirit of the law thing, and I can see a strong spirit of the law case that this was a good no call.

That said, it makes me realize that I still have a question about the situationality of when PI is reviewable...

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2 minutes ago, Triskele said:

That's a fair response, all good.  Just seeing it again now on SVP...it's a letter of the law v. spirit of the law thing, and I can see a strong spirit of the law case that this was a good no call.

That said, it makes me realize that I still have a question about the situationality of when PI is reviewable...

It can be challenged by a coach, as we've seen. And it can be reviewed on scoring plays or under 2 minutes as dictated by the booth. What I think needs to be reinforced (and I wish the analysts all had a large-print statement from the league to read in such instances) is that the rule was not made to allow review of any given potential pass interference. It was made to make sure that the Nikel Roby-Coleman play never happens again. That's why they didn't overturn the two challenges earlier in the game. Both were clearly PI on replay by the letter of the law, and if called on the field no one could have complained. But the rule wasn't made to overturn a close call, that's not what it's there for.

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14 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

That man is taking a stand. I love it.

If I’m his adviser, I’d hand him a study outlining how beneficial it is for a newborn to spend extensive time with his father during the first six months of its life and suggest he read it in full at a press conference, implying that he’ll only go back to work if his situation improves and justifies it.

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12 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

It can be challenged by a coach, as we've seen. And it can be reviewed on scoring plays or under 2 minutes as dictated by the booth. What I think needs to be reinforced (and I wish the analysts all had a large-print statement from the league to read in such instances) is that the rule was not made to allow review of any given potential pass interference. It was made to make sure that the Nikel Roby-Coleman play never happens again. That's why they didn't overturn the two challenges earlier in the game. Both were clearly PI on replay by the letter of the law, and if called on the field no one could have complained. But the rule wasn't made to overturn a close call, that's not what it's there for.

I thought I wanted the ability to review PI. I'm generally of the belief that all the razor thin distinctions the NFL has made over the years between what's reviewable and what isn't has led to some ridiculous, indefensible non-calls. 

But now that we actually have it and see the shit that's being challenged, I'm fine just scrapping it entirely. NFL games take fucking forever as is between all the commercial breaks, flags on seemingly every play, and stoppages in play where we wait to see if guys will ever walk again and question why we watch this to begin with.

Now you have endless parsing of reviews riding on "sure that's PI, but it happens on every play....the question is whether it's egregious enough" and the specific opinion of the ref involved. Nothing is any clearer. We're not getting any closer to the truth. And the game is more disjointed than ever. It's like they keep duct taping over something that's broken or controversial and now they've ended up with this unwieldly, unmangeable duct tape ball that they'll never be able to unwind. 

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33 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

I thought I wanted the ability to review PI. I'm generally of the belief that all the razor thin distinctions the NFL has made over the years between what's reviewable and what isn't has led to some ridiculous, indefensible non-calls. 

But now that we actually have it and see the shit that's being challenged, I'm fine just scrapping it entirely. NFL games take fucking forever as is between all the commercial breaks, flags on seemingly every play, and stoppages in play where we wait to see if guys will ever walk again and question why we watch this to begin with.

Now you have endless parsing of reviews riding on "sure that's PI, but it happens on every play....the question is whether it's egregious enough" and the specific opinion of the ref involved. Nothing is any clearer. We're not getting any closer to the truth. And the game is more disjointed than ever. It's like they keep duct taping over something that's broken or controversial and now they've ended up with this unwieldly, unmangeable duct tape ball that they'll never be able to unwind. 

I thought they should have just put another official in the booth to correct horrific missed or phantom calls. Someone who could take away that god awful roughing call that let the Bears win in Denver and knows that the two challenges from last night are not what we are looking to overturn. 

Really though, the league has no idea what it's doing so everything they touch is undermined by incompetence.

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45 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I thought they should have just put another official in the booth to correct horrific missed or phantom calls. Someone who could take away that god awful roughing call that let the Bears win in Denver and knows that the two challenges from last night are not what we are looking to overturn. 

Really though, the league has no idea what it's doing so everything they touch is undermined by incompetence.

 

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2 hours ago, Jaime L said:

I thought I wanted the ability to review PI. I'm generally of the belief that all the razor thin distinctions the NFL has made over the years between what's reviewable and what isn't has led to some ridiculous, indefensible non-calls. 

But now that we actually have it and see the shit that's being challenged, I'm fine just scrapping it entirely. NFL games take fucking forever as is between all the commercial breaks, flags on seemingly every play, and stoppages in play where we wait to see if guys will ever walk again and question why we watch this to begin with.

Now you have endless parsing of reviews riding on "sure that's PI, but it happens on every play....the question is whether it's egregious enough" and the specific opinion of the ref involved. Nothing is any clearer. We're not getting any closer to the truth. And the game is more disjointed than ever. It's like they keep duct taping over something that's broken or controversial and now they've ended up with this unwieldly, unmangeable duct tape ball that they'll never be able to unwind. 

The problem is that the refs are just as bad at reviewing the calls as they are making them.  They might as well scrap it because they're just making themselves look stupid by constantly blowing the reviews.  

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The standard to overturn a PI/non-PI call needs to be "so egregious that it would be detrimental to the game as a whole for a call to be made/not made".  And you should be able to make that decision in ten seconds.

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10 minutes ago, Bronn Stone said:

The standard to overturn a PI/non-PI call needs to be "so egregious that it would be detrimental to the game as a whole for a call to be made/not made".  And you should be able to make that decision in ten seconds.

100% agree. I don't think the coaches should even be in charge of challenging said plays either.

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They should have just put a fucking replay official in the booth whose sole job is to overturn egregious fuckups. It's not a far step from the current policy to review all scores and turnovers. They didn't have to make PI reviewable.

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Nothing else NFL going on so, how about Antonio Brown becoming a pro twitterer? Seems like he has been spending his free time scouring twitter for any mentions of him so he can respond. Hey, everyone needs a hobby

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1 hour ago, dbunting said:

Nothing else NFL going on so, how about Antonio Brown becoming a pro twitterer? Seems like he has been spending his free time scouring twitter for any mentions of him so he can respond. Hey, everyone needs a hobby

Is Twitter like FB where there's a "friends" feature or is it just "follower" or whatever (obviously I'm not a user of either)? If so, I'm positive AB would be Friend/Follower with Trump, couple merry fools they be.

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4 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Is Twitter like FB where there's a "friends" feature or is it just "follower" or whatever (obviously I'm not a user of either)? If so, I'm positive AB would be Friend/Follower with Trump, couple merry fools they be.

I'm not on twitter either but I believe it's just follow. Not sure if twitter could handle the two of them together.

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Redskins love defensive holdings. It is fun watching them attack Landon Collins. I have no ill will towards him but his coverage was plain awful last year.

ETA: Jones 2 ints his last 2 throws. Ugh

Haskins in.

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So who gets fired mid-season first? Before today I would've bet it was Jay Gruden but seeing the Falcons get blown out at home by the Titans, I think the bell may toll soon for Dan Quinn. 

Meanwhile, the Chiefs and the Pats are in dogfights on the road in Detroit and Buffalo. 

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