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42 minutes ago, Gertrude said:

Right now I'm most curious about how long before we see the inevitable Twitter melt-down. We should make a Bingo card - witch hunt, no collusion, random capitalisation, nicknames, Biden, etc. Fake News is the free space in the middle.

He hasn't gotten around to AOC. socialism, or Obama but I think he'll get there by dinner time.

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1 hour ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I'm calling this a disaster in the making, polls unseen.

Sincerely disappointed in Pelosi for holding strong so long only to give in to temptation now. Another four months and it all goes on autopilot. Now the Fox News fuckers get to pour some gasoline on their base all for the sake of making liberals feel like they're doing something.

Let Fox News pour all the gas they want on their base. One of them is bound to light up a smoke while thinking about what to do next.

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44 minutes ago, Gertrude said:

Right now I'm most curious about how long before we see the inevitable Twitter melt-down. We should make a Bingo card - witch hunt, no collusion, random capitalisation, nicknames, Biden, etc. Fake News is the free space in the middle.

You forgot random "parentheses" and (quotations) that make literate PEOPLE'S brains hurt........

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SAD!

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9 minutes ago, maarsen said:

With Watergate it was the steady drip, drip drip, of facts over a months long enquiry that sealed Nixon's fate.

Meh, I wouldn't completely characterize it that way.  The smoking gun tape was clearly the coup de gras and what motivated Goldwater to convince him to resign.

10 minutes ago, maarsen said:

We may not hear about him kneeling in the Oval Office with whomever his equivalent of Kissinger is, drunk and praying for help, but I am sure it will drive him over the edge.

Damn teetotaler!

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1 hour ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I'm calling this a disaster in the making, polls unseen.

Sincerely disappointed in Pelosi for holding strong so long only to give in to temptation now. Another four months and it all goes on autopilot. Now the Fox News fuckers get to pour some gasoline on their base all for the sake of making liberals feel like they're doing something.

Three quarters of her caucus now support an inquiry. She had no choice. Interestingly the issue parallels with the Russian collusion charges. If they can prove to a certain degree that there was a quid pro quo here, it will make it insanely easy to imply that there was one with Russia too.

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3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Three quarters of her caucus now support an inquiry. She had no choice. Interestingly the issue parallels with the Russian collusion charges. If they can prove to a certain degree that there was a quid pro quo here, it will make it insanely easy to imply that there was one with Russia too.

And?

I mean, I defer to Pelosi's judgement and expertise but I fail to see the benefits here. 

Manu Raju had a comment from some Democrat (not sure which one) that this may be easier to explain to the public than the Russia tampering. I don't buy it, but I sincerely hope whomever said that is way smarterer than I is.

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Has anyone bothered to tell Trump and the right that this "presidential harassment" battle cry kind of sounds like the president is doing the harassing?

Anyone, in non-impeachment news of the day, Warren continues to get good polling news.  New Monmouth New Hampshire poll has her at 27, Biden at 25, and Sanders at 12.  Combined with Des Moines Register poll (the gold standard for the caucuses) over the weekend, Warren's looking pretty insurgent while Sanders looks to be in big trouble.  It does remind though that McCain also was at a nadir around this point in 2008 (well 2007), and obviously he came back, so still plenty of time.

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30 minutes ago, maarsen said:

With Watergate it was the steady drip, drip drip, of facts over a months long enquiry that sealed Nixon's fate. Leading up to an election, a slow process with new revelations coming at a steady pace will demoralize Trump. We may not hear about him kneeling in the Oval Office with whomever his equivalent of Kissinger is, drunk and praying for help, but I am sure it will drive him over the edge.

That's why so many of us kept / keep insisting impeachment proceedings had to be put into operation, sooner, rather than later.  Other reasons too, of course, just starting with the FACTS he's a criminal in o so many ways and in so many ways a clear and present and constant danger to the nation.

But one kind of has doubts that a lot of these people such as even Pelosi care that much about the nation; it's the state they are interested in, the state whereby they get power.  Certainly with the ilks of the bedbug the state is all about them doing exactly as they please, while they plunder the nation, who is us.

 

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49 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

His methods were fine. 

He killed two slaves and a free African American at Harper's Ferry, as well as several white people who weren't slave owners.

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11 minutes ago, Fez said:

He killed two slaves and a free African American at Harper's Ferry, as well as several white people who weren't slave owners.

"What you need to understand, Fez is that many of these people are not ready to be unplugged. Most are so inert, so dependant on the system, that they will fight to protect it. And that system is our enemy. Were you listening to me, Fez, or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?"

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1 hour ago, maarsen said:

With Watergate it was the steady drip, drip drip, of facts over a months long enquiry that sealed Nixon's fate. Leading up to an election, a slow process with new revelations coming at a steady pace will demoralize Trump. We may not hear about him kneeling in the Oval Office with whomever his equivalent of Kissinger is, drunk and praying for help, but I am sure it will drive him over the edge.

I don't think this is true in today's environment with hyper partisan news services, instant hot takes, uncensored social media that allows for real and fake news to reach millions of people and a President who is willing to lie and smear anyone to create counter narratives.

Also, as said above, what doomed Nixon was the tapes and hearing his voice on them, not the drip, drip, drip of facts. That is what cracked his support.

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A tiny part of me is now worried that the Ukraine business is just a trap.  Trump agreeing to release the transcript of the call combined with the Senate unanimously voting to gain access to the whistleblower memo is making me a little nervous.  If this story was manufactured and leaked by Trump and the whistleblower is actually a Trump stooge or was acting in good faith but fed bad information (the whistleblower allegedly only has second hand knowledge of the call), then this could blow up spectacularly all over Democrats.  I think this is unlikely though.  

I also hope this isn't another Mueller Report, where the hopes and expectations greatly exceeded the actual results.  Expectations are being raised sky high by the media right now.

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1 minute ago, Mudguard said:

A tiny part of me is now worried that the Ukraine business is just a trap.  Trump agreeing to release the transcript of the call combined with the Senate unanimously voting to gain access to the whistleblower memo is making me a little nervous.  If this story was manufactured and leaked by Trump and the whistleblower is actually a Trump stooge or was acting in good faith but fed bad information (the whistleblower allegedly only has second hand knowledge of the call), then this could blow up spectacularly all over Democrats.  I think this is unlikely though.  

I also hope this isn't another Mueller Report, where the hopes and expectations greatly exceeded the actual results.  Expectations are being raised sky high by the media right now.

What I will say is that the whistleblower complaint isn't based on any single call. This was made clear by the Intelligence Community Inspector General who also has released public letters he's sent to the Acting DNI expressing his determination that Congress should see the complaint, that it's urgent and goes to the core of what the DNI does. The IC IG is also a Trump appointee so given that, the administrations reluctance to follow the law, and the smear campaign already against the whistleblower, I have to imagine there is something there that will look bad for Trump. How bad remains to be seen but I do think Trump is worried.

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2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Are you equating volunteering for the US Military to volunteering to kill Iraqis and Afganis?

I'm not going to pretend it's not a difficult situation with a lot of people enlisting due to extreme economic and social coercion/exploitation but to answer your question... Yes? You have been at war with Afghanistan for the entire lives of current young adults, anyone joining the military is explicitly accepting the possibility they will be sent to fight in that war which may well involve killing Iraqis and  Afghans. 

Whether they've thought through that detail or not, that's what they're volunteering for. 

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7 minutes ago, karaddin said:

I'm not going to pretend it's not a difficult situation with a lot of people enlisting due to extreme economic and social coercion/exploitation but to answer your question... Yes? You have been at war with Afghanistan for the entire lives of current young adults, anyone joining the military is explicitly accepting the possibility they will be sent to fight in that war which may well involve killing Iraqis and  Afghans. 

Whether they've thought through that detail or not, that's what they're volunteering for. 

You realize that the vast, vast, vast, vast, majority of soldiers have jobs that should never put them in a position to fire their weapon or kill anyone at all, right? 

The amount of effort you went through to qualify your statement does you no credit.

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32 minutes ago, Mexal said:

 

Trump being transparent, assuming he really follows through and provides both a transcript of the call and a copy of the whistleblower complaint, is really bizarre to me, so I still have the feeling that something is up.  He's never been willing to hand over information, like his tax returns, that presumably contained damaging information.  If there was really something bad in these latest documents, I'd imagine that he'd fight or stonewall their release.  We'll see soon enough though.

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Don't worry. Everyone KNOWS he's handing over nothing that's real. -- or, equally likely nothing at all, like his tax returns that he was going to release and then 'couldn't'.  Transcripts are meaningless in this context.  Anyway, he's got a magic sharpie.

Hopefully, however, the Dems have learned this.  Even the WaPo editorial board published a piece today, warning the Dems and Pelosi to always keep front and center for everything that he and they lie about everything, because, keep it front and center, they've been doing it all along with everything, including the redacted Mueller Report.

 

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