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10 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I think that's true for Nixon, but Donnie is a little despot at heart. In his mind he is the state.

Ignites lightsaber. "Not yet!"

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Lots of people are getting ahead of themselves dancing on Trump's (political) grave.  I think the overwhelmingly most likely result of this is that impeachment numbers move up to nearly the same as Trump's approval numbers and then solidify.  Republicans fall in line and it's back to business as usual AKA defeating Trump in 2020.  In terms of realistic scenarios, the best I'm hoping for is more damaging stuff comes out to weigh him down over the next fourteen months.  But aside from moonshots like "maybe Trump just randomly quits" the only way we're getting rid of him is the 2020 election.

Democrats need to make sure they don't take their eye off the ball.  Biden and Warren both strike me as sub-optimal candidates, and yet a year from now I'm probably going to be canvassing for one of them. 

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3 hours ago, Matrim Fox Cauthon said:

I read one Vanity Fair article - "It's Management Bedlam: Madness at Fox News as Trump Faces Impeachment"  - which talks about how this recent news is causing Fox to prepare for a possible post-Trump future. If Fox News is willing to shift, not wanting to hitch their wagon to a loser, then maybe that will help sway some of their base. This will largely depend on the direction of Lachlan Murdoch.

This is a good article, and short.  My favorite part was:

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The ultimate referee of this fight will be Lachlan Murdoch. In recent months, Rupert’s oldest son has been holding strategy conversations with Fox executives and anchors about how Fox News should prepare for life after Trump. Among the powerful voices advising Lachlan that Fox should decisively break with the president is former House speaker Paul Ryan, who joined the Fox board in March. “Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it,” an executive who’s spoken with Ryan told me. (Ryan did not return a call seeking comment.) But a person more sympathetic to Trump has told Lachlan that Fox should remain loyal to Trump’s supporters, even if the network has to break from the man.

The idea of Paul Ryan leading a push to turn Fox News against Trump strikes me as almost poetic.  Regardless, Ryan will probably fail, Trump has never had much difficulty swatting him down. 

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Just now, Maithanet said:

The idea of Paul Ryan leading a push to turn Fox News against Trump strikes me as almost poetic.  Regardless, Ryan will probably fail, Trump has never had much difficulty swatting him down. 

Poetic? Not the word I would've chosen. I think laughable would be a more fitting word.

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1 minute ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Poetic? Not the word I would've chosen. I think laughable would be a more fitting word.

History is sometimes circular, but rarely so quickly.  Ryan positioned himself as the future of the GOP, but ignored the downsides of fomenting the base extremists through Fox News et al.  When the base started caring more about Trump's xenophopia and cultural grievances than Ryan's upper class tax cuts, he became marginalized.  When Trump proved to be building a cult of personality that didn't brook other styles of conservativism, he resigned. 

Now that the bill for Trump's corruption is coming due, he is (attempting) to use Fox News as the vehicle to usher him aside, in the same way that he himself was sidelined. 

But like I said, I fully expect he'll fail and Fox News will only abandon Trump when he's out of office.  Then his many, many failings will be part of the past and why do Democrats keep bringing that up? 

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11 hours ago, DMC said:

Psh, dude couldn't even accurately define state as a term.

How dare you! I'll have you know that our President is a stable genius!

 

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1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said:

Fox has been the top rated network for 17 years? I did not know that.

Fox’s role is all about defending it’s viewers from the people who hate them, and that’s the source of their power? I did not know that.

Lol, how did you not know that? I would have figured you’d trip over an article outlining how condensed conservative viewership is. That’s what makes it so effective. Well that and it serves to reinforce their viewers’ beliefs.

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4 hours ago, Matrim Fox Cauthon said:

I read one Vanity Fair article - "It's Management Bedlam: Madness at Fox News as Trump Faces Impeachment"  - which talks about how this recent news is causing Fox to prepare for a possible post-Trump future. If Fox News is willing to shift, not wanting to hitch their wagon to a loser, then maybe that will help sway some of their base. This will largely depend on the direction of Lachlan Murdoch.

Very interesting. Regarding this quote near the end of the article:

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“Fox is about defending our viewers from the people who hate them. That’s where our power comes from."


 

To my mind Fox is first about getting its viewers to falsely believe they are hated, so they can then set themselves up as their defenders.

It's also telling to me that this Fox executive used the word "power" instead of "influence" or "ratings." 

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21 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Devin Nunes probabaly would have buried the whistleblower in a hole on his farm.

He doesn't own a farm anymore.  That's his dirty little secret. 

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