Mrstrategy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 What if Elia and children survive the sack of kings landing (instead of being killed they are captured) what would be their fate be with Robert and Tywin want then dead and Ned and Jon arryn wanting to keep them alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Aegon's fate is either death, castrati, or being held in Winterfell till he dies. Rhaenys is marrying Robert's heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley McLeod Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Robert's rebels allowing them to live is far-fetched. Aerys has been dead for fifteen years and many people have not given up on restoring the Targaryens to the throne. The threat while they live is too much for a fledgling ruler like the Baratheons to survive. Ned might speak on their behalf but that is all he would have done, as we have witnessed with Daenerys and Lady. Ned might have morals but he is not going to betray Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Finley McLeod said: Robert's rebels allowing them to live is far-fetched. Aerys has been dead for fifteen years and many people have not given up on restoring the Targaryens to the throne. The threat while they live is too much for a fledgling ruler like the Baratheons to survive. Ned might speak on their behalf but that is all he would have done, as we have witnessed with Daenerys and Lady. Ned might have morals but he is not going to betray Robert. Who are those many people?? The only one actively trying to restore the Targs is Varys, the only reason the Martells are doing it is revenge and that revenge is gone if the kids are spared, and that's that, there are Targ sympathetics but there is a pretty big leap between being sympathetic and actually try to restore them. Only Varys and the Martells are actually trying to restore the Targs Rhaenys also don't pose a threat, she's a woman who can be married off to Robert's line and if Aegon is taken to Winterfell or castrated there is no going back for him either. Robert and his rebels let Dany and Viserys alive for 15 years, they are not killing children if there is a more reasonable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley McLeod Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, frenin said: Who are those many people?? The only one actively trying to restore the Targs is Varys, the only reason the Martells are doing it is revenge and that revenge is gone if the kids are spared, and that's that, there are Targ sympathetics but there is a pretty big leap between being sympathetic and actually try to restore them. Only Varys and the Martells are actually trying to restore the Targs Rhaenys also don't pose a threat, she's a woman who can be married off to Robert's line and if Aegon is taken to Winterfell or castrated there is no going back for him either. Robert and his rebels let Dany and Viserys alive for 15 years, they are not killing children if there is a more reasonable solution. King Viserys and Princess Daenerys were only allowed to live because Jon Arryn believed they were no threat. There is also the distance and the assured surveillance of Varys to keep Robert comfortable. But the moment Viserys allied himself with the Dothraki and Princess Daenerys got pregnant. Robert took steps to send an assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, Finley McLeod said: King Viserys and Princess Daenerys were only allowed to live because Jon Arryn believed they were no threat. There is also the distance and the assured surveillance of Varys to keep Robert comfortable. But the moment Viserys allied himself with the Dothraki and Princess Daenerys got pregnant. Robert took steps to send an assassin. And Jon Arryn can believed they children are no threat either, in fact is profitable to have the kids in their power, neither Robert nor any rebel are killing children unless they absolutely have to and there is no need to kill the kids, in fact not killing them and using them as hostages is a far better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley McLeod Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, frenin said: And Jon Arryn can believed they children are no threat either, in fact is profitable to have the kids in their power, neither Robert nor any rebel are killing children unless they absolutely have to and there is no need to kill the kids, in fact not killing them and using them as hostages is a far better idea. Hostage is a good idea. However, three hostages is not necessary. Elia would be the most likely to live because she is only married to the Targaryens. She is not Targaryen by birth or blood. She can be used to bargain with the Martells and she is not going to succeed Aerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Finley McLeod said: Hostage is a good idea. However, three hostages is not necessary. Elia would be the most likely to live because she is only married to the Targaryens. She is not Targaryen by birth or blood. She can be used to bargain with the Martells and she is not going to succeed Aerys. There hostages are necessary if you don't want to kill kids and you need other way, they are not killing kids unless necessary, the idea that they would just bash their heads over a wall is just weird, Dany would never turn 2 years had they ever were so serious about ending the Targ line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Mrstrategy said: What if Elia and children survive the sack of kings landing (instead of being killed they are captured) what would be their fate be with Robert and Tywin want then dead and Ned and Jon arryn wanting to keep them alive Bobby B is king so in this case they will die. If Bobby wanted to settle the situation without blood, Aegon would be sent to the wall and Rhaenys would be forced to join the silent sisters or married to Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarion Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 In Byzantine Empire, it was not unknown for a new Emperor to allow heirs of previous Emperor to live, and even to maintain their titles. Sometimes they succeeded the "usurper": Basil II was the son of Romanos II. Romanos II himself died young (at 25), and was succeeded by Nikephoros II., who got killed and succeeded by John I. Tzimiskes. Tzimiskes was offed by Basil Lekapenos, and succeded by Basil II. Other times they were packed off to a monastery, though that was more typically done with deposed emperors. But Westerosi political culture is based on British feudalism, so best case scenario is likely the Wall or the exile. However, Robert hates Targaryens, no exception, and they are a threat to the throne. So even if they are not found by the Mountain, their only chance of survival is getting smuggled out of the city. If Ned Stark finds them, he might try to protect them; but Robert is unlikely to allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Only Aegon was a problem. Elia could be sent to the Silent Sisters or married to someone. Rhaenys married to someone too, Renly for example. Aegon would remain at Winterfell. To be executed in case of rebellion And to join the Wall when in age. Not even Viserys managed to get a rebellion for him. No one really cared for a Targaryen restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, Aldarion said: However, Robert hates Targaryens, no exception, and they are a threat to the throne. So even if they are not found by the Mountain, their only chance of survival is getting smuggled out of the city. If Ned Stark finds them, he might try to protect them; but Robert is unlikely to allow it. If Robert hated the Targs so much and the Targs kids were so much a threat, Dany and Viserys wouldn't have reach to adulthood, is quite clear that no one wanted to have the blood of children in their hands unless absolutely necessary and only Aegon is a threat and is a easy to handle one, ship him off to White Harbor and then to Winterfell, castrate him or send him to the wall, Rhaenys is not a threat at all, she's marrying Robert's line if the rebels had half brain. The kids are not a threat to the Throne if they're managed properly, Tywin killing them was what poisoned Robert's reign from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontius Pilate Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Aegon will be the youngest person to take the black. Rhaenys will be forced to marry Renly. Elia will be sent to the silent sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontius Pilate Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 hours ago, BalerionTheCat said: Only Aegon was a problem. Elia could be sent to the Silent Sisters or married to someone. Rhaenys married to someone too, Renly for example. Aegon would remain at Winterfell. To be executed in case of rebellion And to join the Wall when in age. Not even Viserys managed to get a rebellion for him. No one really cared for a Targaryen restoration. The Martells, the Sealord of Braavos, Magister Illyrio, Varys, the Archon of Tyrosh to name a few, wanted to restore the Targaryens. The Darrys remained loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontius Pilate Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Robert wants them dead. Somebody wanting to impress will do the dirty job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, Centurion Piso said: The Martells, the Sealord of Braavos, Magister Illyrio, Varys, the Archon of Tyrosh to name a few, wanted to restore the Targaryens. The Darrys remained loyal. Of all them, the only Westerosi are the Martells and Varys, the Sealord of Braavos didn't care about a Targ restoration, he only served as witness in a plot it wasn't of hos beexwax, Illyrio also isn't Westerosi and if Aegon is indeed Faegon, he and Varys aren't restoring nothing. I'm telling you that nor Tyrosh nor Braavos and not Pentos are sending any army to help the Targs. The Darrys remaining loyal is the nice tale, Illiryo tells to Viserys, 13 year old Dany don't belive half of what he says, the reader shouldn't either and plus, being sympathetic and actively trying to restore the Targs are two very different things, the 2nd Blackfyre rebellion had actually much local support than any plot to restore the Targs ever had, which makes perfect sense, Robert had the support of 5 of the 7 Kingdoms, the IB didn't care and the Reach lords were sympathetic at best but they weren't pushing his luck alone without knowing who else might support the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Centurion Piso said: The Martells, the Sealord of Braavos, Magister Illyrio, Varys, the Archon of Tyrosh to name a few, wanted to restore the Targaryens. The Darrys remained loyal. How good it did to Viserys! Illyrio and Varys were more likely preventing Rhaegar to depose his father and stop the madman raving. fAegon is why they did it. Including the plot of debarking mad Viserys with a band of savage dothrakis while they had "true Aegon" in reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 If Elia survives, she suffers Jeyne Westerling's fate: some years prohibition of marriage to prevent tales of birthing a new dragonspawn and probably return to Dorne as a gesture of good will (Jon Arryn's proposal to calm Doran and Oberyn). Martells have not enough Targaryen blood to be considered Aerys's heirs. Rhaenys would remain a hostage and probably marry Robert's heir or join the Faith if someone plotted to use her against Robert. Aegon is doomed. An accident (like Jaehaera Targaryen had), poison, castration, the Wall are possible. Jon Arryn would try to protect him but Twyin would kill him because he is a threat to Cersei's children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Seeing the replies, I truly hate Robert and the rebellion. Elia and her children should be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, The Wolves said: Seeing the replies, I truly hate Robert and the rebellion. Elia and her children should be alive. I blame Rhaegar more than Robert. He started it all with Lyanna leaving his wife and kids behind, then disapeard for close to a year and let his crazy father deal with the situation...Robert was only fighting for survivor when they asked for his head when he did nothing wrong at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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