Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
DMC

US Politics: A Mickey Mouse Operation

Recommended Posts

He also gave away essential intelligence operation details that makes it easy to trace the action back to the geographical source, etc. which again is treason, putting US (and other allies') lives at risk.

As widely reported in variety of sources, bedbug had nothing to do with the painstaking accumulation of information by intelligence, which he regularly condemns and sneers at a deep state; the operation also jumped the gun, putting even more people and operations at risk.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/report-baghdadi-raid-succeeded-despite-not-because-of-trump

Not to mention how utterly gross and disgusting he is, trying to grab all credit, even for what DID NOT TAKE PLACE, when he had nothing to do with it -- except refusing to inform Dem Congress as to the operation.  He's a diseased LYING troll -- imagine how ISIS etc. are grabbing on to this for their own purposes -- and then he says he's going to make that horror tape public?

Impeach him now and LOCK HIM UP!

Edited by Zorral

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did WaPo really call Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar" in a headline?  Rightwing thinks so and is loving it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Zorral said:

Impeach him now and LOCK HIM UP!

I know I'm late to the party, but I could watch the video of Trump's face falling when he realized he was being booed and chanted at forever.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Gaston de Foix said:

He has not in fact said that.  And under international law, pillage is a war crime. 

I don't know what press conference you listened to, but that was the takeway I got from him talking about the oil. 'Tis the spoils of war and America's right as the winner, just like in the great Roman times. No more ridiculous pretext of spreading the flower of democracy to a greatful world. Honesty in all of its naked evil.

You took down Al Qaeda and ISIS came along. You've possibly taken down ISIS, what's next? Islamofascist hatred of anything not extreme and intolerant Islam hasn't gone away.

Edited by The Anti-Targ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did WaPo really call Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar" in a headline?  Rightwing thinks so and is loving it.

yes, despite some nuance there though.

don't worry about what they love, which also includes funny outfits made of white sheets, ownership of human persons, and gas chambers for members of disfavored religious groups. 

anyone know if the original description is accurate--or did he truly lack the requisite austerity or scholarly pursuit of religious knowledge?  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fuck Nate Silver, fuck Joe Scarborough, fuck Chris Coons, fuck Trump.

Glad Trump was booed mercilessly. Fuck anyone calling for civility with a fascist, which Trump is. 
 

Fuck Silver for saying he shouldn’t be booed in a day an ISIS leader was killed when he is letting people that shared the intelligence that resulted in the successful raid be slaughtered by a Turkish forces and their Pro Turkey / ISIS militias they also back and fund.

People should stop sharing 538 info. Nates a fucking ignorant out of touch jackass and a shit person.

 

Fuck Joe & Coons. They want a civil dictatorship. Let a person in power do what ever they want with no accountability and just respect them because of their position. Stop deep throating boots you disgusting chuds.

Edited by Bonnot OG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, sologdin said:

anyone know if the original description is accurate--or did he truly lack the requisite austerity or scholarly pursuit of religious knowledge?  

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/isil-proclaimed-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-191027173054546.html

Quote

 

Al-Baghdadi was born Ibrahim Awad al-Samarrai in 1971 in Tobchi, a poor area near the town of Samarra, north of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, whose name he took.

His family included preachers from the ultra-conservative Salafi school of Sunni Islam, which sees many other branches of the faith as heretical and other religions as anathema.

He joined an armed movement in Iraq in 2003, the year of the US-led invasion of Iraq, and was captured by the Americans. They released him about a year later, thinking he was a civilian agitator rather than a military threat.

 

As were so many, he was deeply radicalized in the prison camp where he was placed.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/syrian-oil-trump-says-us-should-be-able-take-some

As far as bedbug claiming the Syrian oil for the US, it was widely reported in many places, including recordings of him saying it.  There have been discussions over the weekend on talk radio as a consequence -- can you believe it? discussions! as to whether or not Exxon etc. can take possession of the oil legally or not!  It was generally agreed that this wasn't legal, that the oil in Syria belongs to Syria and the people in Syria.  Whether or not US troops are there or not.

 

 

Edited by Zorral

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Gertrude said:

I know I'm late to the party, but I could watch the video of Trump's face falling when he realized he was being booed and chanted at forever.

We have the Doug Ford video at the Raptors victory parade getting booed by 1 million plus people. Warms my heart whenever I think of it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, Triskele said:

Katie Hill stepping down.

Pardon my ignorance, but is there some rule against having a relationship with a staffer?  While I don't think it's unscandalous, per se, given that she was leaving an abusive marriage and had pics posted in an obviously unwanted fashion I'd have thought her position would be largely sympathetic and didn't realize the affair would be a career-ender.  

I don't understand why it's even an issue. Male politicians have affairs every minute of every day and it's just another day at the office for them.

Yet another form of misogyny from holier than thou old guys. She should NOT resign over it. Men don't; in fact their wives stand by them and bear the brunt of the humiliation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, Ice Queen said:

I don't understand why it's even an issue. Male politicians have affairs every minute of every day and it's just another day at the office for them.

Yet another form of misogyny from holier than thou old guys. She should NOT resign over it. Men don't; in fact their wives stand by them and bear the brunt of the humiliation.

Duncan Hunter embezzled campaign money to spend on affairs, tried to blame his wife for the runaway spending, is under indictment, and still got re-elected.

Republicans, for the party that clutches the Bible so hard, are enormously hypocritical on this. It's not that different from Elliot Spitzer resigning when he was revealed to be a client of a high priced madam, but an arch McJesusite like David Vitter kept his Senate seat in Louisiana despite being a diaper-wearing John.

I guess "Christians" will forgive any impropriety from their leaders as long as the oppression of women and minorities continues.

Edited by DanteGabriel

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can't agree on Katie Hill. She acknowledged that it was inappropriate to have an affair with a subordinate, and I think that's the key phrase. I don't think anyone is upset about the affair part, it's the subordinate part.

Should she step down? Maybe, maybe not, but I think it's objectively worse than what Franken was railroaded for. Ultimately I've always been in favor of congressional censure on ethics issues (if it doesn't explicitly break a law) and let the voters figure it out. I hated that congress was talking about censuring Roy Moore before he was even (theoretically) voted in. The voters knew about his actions and if they voted him in, they would have been saying who gives a shit? That's the piece of shit they wanted to represent their voice.

Edited by Gertrude

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the bigger takeaway is that she just really wanted to get this out of her life, and I can't blame her for that. If she wanted to survive, she could have. 

Is she the first MoC to be investigated over this since the rules were changed? Seems odd that a rule change meant to largely protect younger women claimed a young woman as a victim. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Damn shame she had to step down though. She was a talented campaigner and very good in committee hearings.  I wonder if she would have if she was a dude.

58 minutes ago, Ice Queen said:

I don't understand why it's even an issue. Male politicians have affairs every minute of every day and it's just another day at the office for them.

Yet another form of misogyny from holier than thou old guys. She should NOT resign over it. Men don't; in fact their wives stand by them and bear the brunt of the humiliation.

Considering her statements in her resignation letter and the video she released today; as well as the Daily Mail publishing more revenge porn just on Thursday, I think a large part of why she resigned is because she hopes it will stop this disgusting - and in many states illegal - effort by her estranged husband and the right wing media.  From the video:

Quote

“I made this decision so that my supporters, my family, my staff and our community will no longer be subjected to the pain inflicted by my abusive husband and the brutality of hateful political operatives,”

So, in that respect, it's even more disgusting than just the classic double standard between male and female (and Republican and Democratic) office holders.  Based on Pelosi's statement, sounds like she was also getting pressure from leadership to resign.  Like I said, I think she could come back later.  Her district is pretty damn purple, and if it flips back to GOP next year, I think it's plausible she could run again and win in 2022.

1 hour ago, Bonnot OG said:

Fuck Nate Silver, fuck Joe Scarborough, fuck Chris Coons, fuck Trump.

Glad Trump was booed mercilessly. Fuck anyone calling for civility with a fascist, which Trump is. 
 

Fuck Silver for saying he shouldn’t be booed in a day an ISIS leader was killed when he is letting people that shared the intelligence that resulted in the successful raid be slaughtered by a Turkish forces and their Pro Turkey / ISIS militias they also back and fund.

People should stop sharing 538 info. Nates a fucking ignorant out of touch jackass and a shit person.

Yeah it was pretty vomit-inducing trying to watch 5 minutes of Morning Joe this morning and him getting all self-righteous about "what 'Merica should be."  Reminded me of when he got his start in media with Scarborough Country 16 years ago which was such an over-the-top self-parody of toxic patriotism it helped inspire The Colbert Report just as as much as O'Reilly.  What a douche.

As for Silver?  Meh.  The tweet was stupid and pathetically self-righteous as well, but at least it had a tone that didn't pose as America's conscience for three hours on national television this morning like Scarborough.  Don't see any reason to tar-and-feather someone over one stupid tweet.

Coons, yeah, I don't know why he's commenting at all.  That was just dumb for a politician to do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

Duncan Hunter embezzled campaign money to spend on affairs, tried to blame his wife for the runaway spending, is under indictment, and still got re-elected.

Republicans, for the party that clutches the Bible so hard, are enormously hypocritical on this. It's not that different from Elliot Spitzer resigning when he was revealed to be a client of a high priced madam, but an arch McJesusite like David Vitter kept his Senate seat in Louisiana despite being a diaper-wearing John.

I guess "Christians" will forgive any impropriety from their leaders as long as the oppression of women and minorities continues.

It's like women aren't allowed to be human and have sex and relationships with the people of their choosing.

I'll say it again: she should NOT resign. Personally, I think MeToo has gone way too far and this is the result. Democrats are so anxious to take the high road when they should be worried about WINNING. At most, she should have finished her term and not run again. Let the voters sort it out.

What happened to Al Franken was a travesty. He should never have resigned either.

Her husband committed a crime. So did everyone who disseminated those photos. And I hope they go to jail for a long, long time. 

Now, on that note, let's see some Epstein photos. Fair is fair, after all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, DMC said:

Based on Pelosi's statement, sounds like she was also getting pressure from leadership to resign. 

This is the part that I hate. What is being done to Hill via the photos, etc is disgusting and needs to be fought. This makes it look like leadership is only crunching the numbers and looking at optics. While I know this is how the game is played, it's disgusting and cowardly nonetheless. She should be supported whatever her decision is, not be pressured behind doors. Real talk about how this is going to play, sure, but pressure - no.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, Gertrude said:

I can't agree on Katie Hill. She acknowledged that it was inappropriate to have an affair with a subordinate, and I think that's the key phrase. I don't think anyone is upset about the affair part, it's the subordinate part.

Should she step down? Maybe, maybe not, but I think it's objectively worse than what Franken was railroaded for. Ultimately I've always been in favor of congressional censure on ethics issues (if it doesn't explicitly break a law) and let the voters figure it out. I hated that congress was talking about censuring Roy Moore before he was even (theoretically) voted in. The voters knew about his actions and if they voted him in, they would have been saying who gives a shit? That's the piece of shit they wanted to represent their voice.

Hill wasn't even in Congress yet, so I don't think the subordinate part is relevant. And even if it is, so what? Again, men do this shit all the time and that's just fine and dandy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Ice Queen said:

Hill wasn't even in Congress yet, so I don't think the subordinate part is relevant. And even if it is, so what? Again, men do this shit all the time and that's just fine and dandy.

It was a campaign staffer and it wasn't a thing the voters could know about at the time. It's connected to her public office in a real way so I think it's fair game. In her resignation she admitted that it was inappropriate - she said it herself and she didn't have to. She could have just sited the harassment issues of her husband (ex-husband?) and not wanting to drag herself and others through this mudpit. If it's wrong, it's wrong and we shouldn't rebound with whataboutisms.

Like I said, it's her decision to step down or not, I don't think it's required in this case. I don't think it's a case of misogyny here, rather it's driven by bad actors (husband, partisan politics).

Edited by Gertrude

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Gertrude said:

It was a campaign staffer and it wasn't a thing the voters could know about at the time. It's connected to her public office in a real way so I think it's fair game. In her resignation she admitted that it was inappropriate - she said it herself and she didn't have to. She could have just sited the harassment issues of her husband (ex-husband?). If it's wrong, it's wrong and we shouldn't rebound with whataboutisms.

Like I said, it's her decision to step down or not, I don't think it's required in this case. I don't think it's a case of misogyny here, rather it's driven by bad actors (husband, partisan politics).

I agree it's her decision to step down. Maybe it's the abuse talking but if she resigns then HE wins. He gets what he wants, and so do the Republicans.

Rule #1 of dealing with abusive ex husbands: never give them what they want. Break their power over you and don't under any circumstances allow them to rule your life, no matter what.

I have no doubt she is suffering--he has done the worst possible thing to her short of killing her because that's what abusive men do. But if she drops out, she is setting women in politics back decades. She's showing that we're not tough enough to go right in the gutter with the men and slog it out. We're always afraid exes are going to do something to get back at us and most of them do just that, although it usually involves the children. 

I'm sorry, I just think she should stand and fight. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Ice Queen said:

I'm sorry, I just think she should stand and fight. 

Personally, I do too. I think the only thing we disagree on is that what she did, minor as it is, doesn't matter. It matters a little, but it's far from fatal and what is being done to her because of it is so much worse. And while I said it wasn't specifically misogynistic, I do think it gained the traction it did because of the salacious details of a threesome and bisexuality, and that's gross. (the reaction to it, not that it happened)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The worst thing about the Hill situation is her scumbag ex releasing revenge porn and republicans throwing it around crying foul when they’ve supported & still support numerous rapists at every level of government.

Edited by Bonnot OG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  

×