karaddin Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 6:48 PM, Darth Richard II said: That’s not Kylo melding his mask back together, unless he suddenly has Wookiee hands. Did he get the same healing treatment as Luther in Umbrella Academy? Is he going to be even wider now? On 11/6/2019 at 7:13 PM, felice said: That's a completely different situation from Star Wars producing a trilogy they know from the start is meant to complete a nine film cycle. Mikey Neumann/FilmJoy on YT had a 3 part series on the Harry Potter films and just how incredible an undertaking it was to a) produce 8 films telling a coherent story in 10 years and b ) not just manage to tell the story but actually make them mostly good movies with a variation in tone and style that matured with the audience the same as the books. For all that we get disappointed when these movies fail to string together its easy to forget just how high they're aiming when they try do this. The series really made me appreciate the HP movies more, and in general he's a fantastic youtuber for finding things to enjoy and love in movies - its certainly improved my enjoyment watching things I had never intended to watch after watching his take on what was good about it. Its an attitude shift from my previous cynical viewing that tried to find flaws, and I'm happier for it. On 11/8/2019 at 3:48 AM, Bittersweet Distractor said: For me the concept and story behind ROTS was great, but it felt so rushed because they had to fit so much in to one film because they wasted the other two prequels with pod races and love stories. To be fair to the PT (something I never expected to say) the love story is actually central to the plot, its the the weakness that lets Palps manipulate him. The problem isn't that the love story exists, its that its the most poorly executed love story ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I guess you don’t like sand either then? (i can never hear that line without recalling stick wars) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, felice said: FTL communication exists, but that doesn't mean it's cheap and accessible. I think the first time we see it is between the Emperor and the flagship of the Imperial fleet? And in the prequels, Jedi on missions and planetary heads of state have access to it. There's certainly no indication of anything resembling a galactic internet. I don't think Han would have been especially interested in galactic politics as a teenager, and even if he was aware the Jedi were a big deal on Coruscant, that doesn't prove the existence of the Force! Did the Emperor announce to the people of the galaxy that the Jedi were evil, or did they just quietly disappear? I mean i don't know what is canon anymore and what isnt, and which canon should be considered for this conversation, but im pretty sure there is a galactic internet in the SW universe, based on the pen and pencil RPG rule books i read as a teen. anyway, whatever, Han was born the same year TPM takes place. Clone Wars, fall of the Republic, Jedi everywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I don’t think Han ever says he doesnt believe the Jedi existed, just that he doesn’t believe in the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 It's not just Han's comment, though. Luke doesn't recognise what a lightsaber is and Obi-Wan has to explain to him what the Force is. Yes, yes, I know, Luke's just a farm boy. He knows about the Imperial Academy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, mormont said: It's not just Han's comment, though. Luke doesn't recognise what a lightsaber is and Obi-Wan has to explain to him what the Force is. Yes, yes, I know, Luke's just a farm boy. He knows about the Imperial Academy though. I really don't see the issue with this at all. Tatooine is a backwater and Luke appears to essentially be home schooled, why would he recognize a lightsaber? No one uses them on Tatooine, and there's plenty of reason why Owen and Beru would try to avoid talking about the Jedi or their equipment, nor is there much reason for Jedi to be topics of conversation with any regularity. I honestly think the world building on these aspects are fine if one accepts the conceit that there's no galactic news/entertainment network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ran said: I honestly think the world building on these aspects are fine if one accepts the conceit that there's no galactic news/entertainment network. Sure. But then, that is the bit that makes no sense. As I said, I'm willing to accept it for the sake of the story, as I am a number of other things in SW. But it's also fine to acknowledge that they're improbable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 hours ago, mormont said: Sure. But then, that is the bit that makes no sense. As I said, I'm willing to accept it for the sake of the story, as I am a number of other things in SW. But it's also fine to acknowledge that they're improbable at best. Generally speaking star wars has advanced hardware but absolute bollocks software. The exception is droids, but perhaps they are accomplished through some weird other mechanism. There's a real lack of leisure activities in general though, other than drinking at cantinas with live music and opera on coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 53 minutes ago, karaddin said: Generally speaking star wars has advanced hardware but absolute bollocks software. The exception is droids, but perhaps they are accomplished through some weird other mechanism. There's a real lack of leisure activities in general though, other than drinking at cantinas with live music and opera on coruscant. You don't like betting on the Pod Races...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligula_K3 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: You don't like betting on the Pod Races...? Or going down to the toshi station to pick up some power converters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, karaddin said: Generally speaking star wars has advanced hardware but absolute bollocks software. The exception is droids, but perhaps they are accomplished through some weird other mechanism. There's a real lack of leisure activities in general though, other than drinking at cantinas with live music and opera on coruscant. Don't forget Dejarik! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 18 hours ago, felice said: I don't think Han would have been especially interested in galactic politics as a teenager, and even if he was aware the Jedi were a big deal on Coruscant, that doesn't prove the existence of the Force! Which is really Han’s major gripe. Even acknowledging the Jedi existed does not mean the force itself is real. Like we all know Jesus, Muhammed, and Buddah existed. I'm sure most would concede each of them having been a real person doesn't really mean each claims or the claims of them for any supernatural activity is true. The Jedi being an order of warriors he’d probably accept. Them being magic? It's a stretch. Especially when the Jedi themselves didn't try to actively educate others outside their about the force. Hel they've even closed themselves off from studying much of the powers that could be gleamed from it. The Dark s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I'm very confused about the argument of the last few pages. Have so few here ever heard of the HoloNet? It's still canon, you know... Also want to throw in playing Pazaak as a favorite activity of mine. Pretty much trippled my stay on Taris in KOTOR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Don’t tell me Luke didn’t get any enjoyment when he was killing those Womp Rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen'ari Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 14 hours ago, karaddin said: To be fair to the PT (something I never expected to say) the love story is actually central to the plot, its the the weakness that lets Palps manipulate him. The problem isn't that the love story exists, its that its the most poorly executed love story ever. I agree with you that the love story is central to the plot, like you I have an issue with the execution of it, and the amount of time it took up, it meant a lot of the fall of the Republic and rise of the Empire had to be crammed into just the one film . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 10 hours ago, mormont said: It's not just Han's comment, though. Luke doesn't recognise what a lightsaber is and Obi-Wan has to explain to him what the Force is. Yes, yes, I know, Luke's just a farm boy. He knows about the Imperial Academy though. Luke’s maybe a special case; his aunt and uncle would have deliberately not told him of jedi, lightsabers etc. And pretty sure teachers wouldnt have if they wanted to stay employed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 There are people who don't believe the Holocaust happened. Imagine if the Nazis had won and made talking about it punishable by disappearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, karaddin said: There's a real lack of leisure activities in general though, other than drinking at cantinas with live music and opera on coruscant. That why the casino planet plot was so important in TLJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gronzag Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Caligula_K3 said: Or going down to the toshi station to pick up some power converters? Oh, yeah! The Power Converters are the best entertainment on Tatooine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 There are plenty of leisure activities: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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