Angel Eyes Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 So nobody knows that Jaime killed King Aerys to save the city. Ignore what we know in later books. Is it worse to be a king slayer or a kinslayer? For example, would Jaime be seen in a worse light for killing his father, a kinslayer instead of a kingslayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Well, using Stannis logic here, the duty to your family and brother comes before the duty to your liege right? so I would think based on this Kinslaying is worse. Jaime if let the Kingsguard could still take CR for example. But Tyrion was excluded from the sucession for murdering Tywin. I would also put breaking of guess right there to be compared with the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 ASoS, Catelyn III “Old gods or new, it makes no matter,” Lord Rickard told her son, “no man is so accursed as the kinslayer.” ADwD, Reek III “Now his bones lie beneath the Dreadfort with the bones of his brothers, who died still in the cradle, and I am left with Ramsay. Tell me, my lord … if the kinslayer is accursed, what is a father to do when one son slays another?” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: So nobody knows that Jaime killed King Aerys to save the city. Ignore what we know in later books. Is it worse to be a king slayer or a kinslayer? For example, would Jaime be seen in a worse light for killing his father, a kinslayer instead of a kingslayer? Kingslaying, kinslaying and guest slaying are the three worst sins in most societies, but the first duty is to family in a feudal society. Dynasties and kings change. Family are forever in their eyes. You can volunteer to sacrifice having children, but if you kill your own family, you're aiding your enemies who vie for the status, the land and/or the gold. I don't necessarily agree with that family moral, but I recognize it's one of the most important pillars in that society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I think the social construction of family and the changing meaning of kinship ties makes kinslaying less clear as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/17/2019 at 9:13 PM, Angel Eyes said: So nobody knows that Jaime killed King Aerys to save the city. Ignore what we know in later books. Is it worse to be a king slayer or a kinslayer? For example, would Jaime be seen in a worse light for killing his father, a kinslayer instead of a kingslayer? Kingslayer is worse. A loyal kingsguard places the safety of his king above the safety of his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarion Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I would say that kinslaying is worse. King is a position; you kill one king, another will come along - for better or for worse. But if you kill your family member, you will not be getting replacement. And in feudal society it is even worse, because family is the basis of social order - more important than the institutions of state. So while kingslaying is treason, kinslaying means undermining the whole foundation of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltharion21 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Jaime's answer to Op's question was to Kingslay and to Kinlay. Conclusion : Jaime is dyslexic as suggested in Tv show by Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marysa Blackfyre Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Killing a king means you haven't kept an oath. The accusation is that you are not very honorable. I think it is worse to kill a family member, especially in a medieval context where family and names are really important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Kinslaying is much, much worse; particularly when it comes to the matter of killing a parent or killing a child. Guest right violations/killings are right behind it. Kingslaying comes in third place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Browndodd Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Kinslaying. Jaime gets such a bad rap not so much because he is a kingslayer, but because of the Kingsguard vows he swore to protect the king he slew. Euron has done both, which does not bode well for his future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Kinslaying assuming it's an immediate relative. Otherwise it's prolly kings laying unless you got a real good reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I'll go with Kingslaying is the worse crime, kinslaying is the worse sin. Most people in Westeros would seem to be more bothered by what the gods judge them for, especially when there is a regime change that will punish and pardon for different crimes. Though as Lord Browndodd says there is also Jaime's KG vows to consider, he is considered honourless as an oath breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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