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Werthead Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 At least the first constituency that was due to report in has now delayed it for a recount, saying it's too close to call. That's matching the expectation that up to 100 seats in this election are in the margin of error, and 60 or so of them were among those in the exit poll. 1 minute ago, Free Northman Reborn said: But from America to Australia and now in Britain the English speaking world has delivered so much “winning” to conservatives that it has been a pretty pleasant decade to be of a right wing persuasion, I must confess. It's been pleasant to see the collapse of social services, an explosion in crime as a result of underfunding the police and the decline in health care and people dying as a direct result, and you are presumably looking forwards to another five years of the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Free Northman Reborn said: Once again, the members of this forum proving to be a leftwing fringe group woefully out of touch with the main stream in the English speaking world. Usually the retort is that it is just Conservative America which is out of touch, and that these woke views are more aligned to the rest of the Western world. But from America to Australia and now in Britain the English speaking world has delivered so much “winning” to conservatives that it has been a pretty pleasant decade to be of a right wing persuasion, I must confess. Today just shows again that you guys are the radicals, and in the major English speaking nations people mostly don’t share your views. To our unhappy British friends on the board, well, I guess you can always still move to NZ, which seems a bit of an outlier to the mainstream Anglophile world as well. I'm usually a Tory voter and I think a Boris Johnson majority is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffguard Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Free Northman Reborn said: ...it has been a pretty pleasant decade to be of a right wing persuasion, I must confess. The thing is though, for those who aren't already well-off, right-wing or otherwise, it clearly hasn't been a pleasant decade. People are noticeably angry, and quality of life is noticeably worse. That those who suffer under conservative policies continue to vote for conservative candidates is definitely concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 As Piers Morgan just said - Twitter loses again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chaircat Meow said: I'm usually a Tory voter and I think a Boris Johnson majority is a disaster. There may still be a silver lining. Uxbridge is too close to call, apparently. He was there this evening, campaigning, for the first time in weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Spockydog said: There may still be a silver lining. Uxbridge is too close to call, apparently. He was there this evening, campaigning, for the first time in weeks. It would be kind of amazing if he lost by one vote coz he voted somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Newcastle Central has just declared. Safe Labour seat but swing of 7% to the Tories. Sadly basically in line with the exit poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Sunderland South; Labour hold but feels like the Tories slashed the majority by a lot. So the exit poll looks right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Liffguard said: The thing is though, for those who aren't already well-off, right-wing or otherwise, it clearly hasn't been a pleasant decade. People are noticeably angry, and quality of life is noticeably worse. That those who suffer under conservative policies continue to vote for conservative candidates is definitely concerning. He's a white supremacist, he thinks anything that drives a wedge in society that can be exploited is a good thing. So pointing out that fascism is actually pretty shit for a lot of the people in it isn't going to sway him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Tories have taken Blyth Valley, been Labour since 1950. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davos Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Werthead said: At the moment I'm much more concerned that this result will repeat itself in the USA in a year's time, which would be far more concerning on a global level. This result will have a huge impact on primary process over here. Its going to bolster the centrist candidates and will make the Democratic party leadership much less likely to allow a genuine liberal like Sanders or Warren regardless of the outcome of the primary votes. They are going to look at Labour under Corbyn and take the obvious lesson from it. They will ignore Corbyn's flaws or the particulars of the political situation in the UK and just read it as a rejection of socialism (as defined by an American, of course). Basically, with Harris gone, the odds that Biden or Buttigieg (sp?) end up with the nomination just jumped dramatically. Maybe someone who's currently down, like Klobuchar, can crawl their way back in. But this basically kills our chance of getting a genuinely transormative candidate. There are some who will see this as a good thing and some as a disaster. For better or worse, 2020 is now going to be a vote for or against Trump rather than offering a legitimate other path. To get back to the topic of this thread, I want to offer my sympathies. I'm sure all of you, with the exception of the few Tory voters who post here (who are feeling vindication at the moment), know how painful this will make the future for the UK. The hard right continues to win around the globe at a time when we desperately need to be taking exactly the opposite path. And the immediate impact on the UK is going to be harsh and long-lasting. The opposition had opportunities and badly misplayed them. They needed to push as a united front for a new referendum rather than allow Boris to maneuver them into a vote. But they got played. And its a disaster. I'm sorry, mates. I really am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Blyth Valley has been won by the Conservatives for the first time since 1931 (when it was called Morpeth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Werthead said: At the moment I'm much more concerned that this result will repeat itself in the USA in a year's time, which would be far more concerning on a global level. Trump isn't as dangerous as Brexit so long as he's not getting us into a dumb war (and thankfully he is an abject coward). However, his reelection chances are about to get a huge boost in the U.S.-China trade deal actually goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Trigger Warning Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Blyth Valley gone Tory, might as well go to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: How did Labour F this up so badly? Oh well, congratulations Eurocommies. Here's hoping that the fallout is merely just shooting yourself in the foot and not the heart. They forgot that a massive chunk of the people that wanted Brexit were a large part of their base. People can take issue with that as much as they want but votes are votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 god this is depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Tories think Laura Pidcock has lost. Tbh I'd be quite pleased if that happens. Bet it won't now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Trigger Warning said: Blyth Valley gone Tory, might as well go to bed. That vote being so close was heartbreaking. Truly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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