Aldarion Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Valyria appears to be essentially Old Grome. Yet names are weird. To take name Aegon, it sounds Latin-ish at first. But Ae- prefix was most common in Anglo-Saxon names, and name itself may have been Anglo-Saxon. It also resembles Greek god of the sea, Aegaeon. Latin names meanwhile did not have many, if any, examples starting with Ae-. So what were inspirations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Wun Wun is a giant and he was named for the Giants' Phil Simms who wore number wun-wun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsil4 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I've gotten the impression that a lot of GRRM's words/names are based off JRRT's languages. Which were designed around real-world languages, so random parallels should be fairly common. https://www.elfdict.com/w/val- Val/Bal = (Angelic) Power, ‘God’, Authority, a Powerhttps://www.elfdict.com/w/riia ria = wreath, garland https://www.elfdict.com/w/ae Ae = dayhttps://www.elfdict.com/w/-gon-gon = lord, prince (stone?) https://www.elfdict.com/w/aeg Aeg/Maeg = sharp, pointed, piercinghttps://www.elfdict.com/w/-on -on = masculine suffix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Map Guy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Aegon = Egg + Dragon The correct way of pronouncing "egg" requires an Austrian accent Valyria comes from Valeria, a character from the movie Conan the Barbarian. Valeria was killed by a character named Thulsa Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingin Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Sansa & Joffrey Probably here the inspiration came from Sancia d’Aragona and her husband Goffredo Borgia. Sancia is the Italianised version of the Spanish name Sancha, which comes from Latin. In Italian, when the “c” is followed by -i or -e, it is soft and it is pronounced like in “chin” or “chess”. But if you pronounce Sancia with an English accent, the “c” is pronounced /s/, like in “city” (or “Sansa”)! Goffredo can be seen as an Italian translation of Geoffrey, an Anglo-Norman name of Germanic origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szbszig Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Aldarion said: Latin names meanwhile did not have many, if any, examples starting with Ae-. Aeneas/Aeneis? OK, the name is of Greek origin, but was later included in Roman mythology as well. It should also be noted, that in original, Classical Latin the letters ae represented a diphthong: /ai/. Only much later, in medieval, Vulgar Latin did it become a monophthong: /ɛ/, and that's when the letters themselves were replaced with a single ligature: æ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Gingin said: Probably here the inspiration came from Sancia d’Aragona and her husband Goffredo Borgia. George denied some time ago that they had served as inspiration. Although it's an astounding coincidence, in any case. Their names in modern Catalan would be Sansa and Jofre, which is amazingly close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingin Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, The hairy bear said: George denied some time ago that they had served as inspiration. Thank you, I honestly didn’t know that! 4 hours ago, The hairy bear said: Their names in modern Catalan would be Sansa and Jofre, which is amazingly close. This is fantastic!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Map Guy Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Tommen Joffrey is Thomas (Tommy) Jefferson, the third USA President.Myrcella is Monticello, Virginia ... the breeding ground of Thomas Jefferson's bastards. Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella are bastards after all. Sansa - I believe is letter-rearrangement of an actress' name. Technically she is Italian. Bonus Theories: Arya is Aria, which part of a character's name played by that same actress in a certain movie ... I think. Also since "Catalan" was mentioned, Catelyn I believe is for "Cat eyes ... nine lives" Cue in Lady Stoneheart's anthem - AC/DC - Back in Black Back in black I hit the sack I've been too long I'm glad to be back Yes, I'm let loose From the noose That's kept me hanging about I've been looking at the sky 'Cause it's gettin' me high Forget the hearse 'cause I never die I got [R'hllor] nine lives Cat's eyes Abusin' every one of them and running wild Cause I'm back Yes, I'm back Well, I'm back Yes, I'm back Well, I'm back, back Well, I'm back in black Yes, I'm back in black [...] Yes, I'm in a bang With [the BWB] gang! They've got to catch me if they want me to hang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 9:20 PM, Aldarion said: Latin names meanwhile did not have many, if any, examples starting with Ae-. Aemilius. Aelius. Just from the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Marya (Davos' wife) is from a character in Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn. Similarly, Shadrach is an inspiration from the same series. In MST his name is Cadrach, but the role is quite similar in MST as George uses (and will use) in aSoIaF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaRegina Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Aegon might be inspired by Egon? It's pronounced basically the same, and depending on the name meaning site it means either "sword's edge" or "strong with a sword". There's been a couple of historical figures and fictional characters with this name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 GRRM has talked a bit about that: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarion Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 12:19 PM, szbszig said: Aeneas/Aeneis? OK, the name is of Greek origin, but was later included in Roman mythology as well. It should also be noted, that in original, Classical Latin the letters ae represented a diphthong: /ai/. Only much later, in medieval, Vulgar Latin did it become a monophthong: /ɛ/, and that's when the letters themselves were replaced with a single ligature: æ. Thanks. I made myself a list o latin names. Ones starting on Ae- are Aeacus, Aebutus, Aelianus, Aemilianus. Note that these are all cognomina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Elia is derived from Helios, the god and personification of the sun in Greek myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfyre Bastard Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Some years ago I wrote in the Puns thread that Jaime is from French J'aime (I love, I like). I mean, the first thing we hear him utter is "The things I do for love" before turning Bran into "the Broken." All those Ae- Latin names list is lacking Aetius, the most kickass general in all Roman history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 In original books Zorro's real name is Don Jaime del Castelrey. Alas Zorro did not have a hot sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach King Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Loras - Loras college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 10:20 PM, Aldarion said: Valyria appears to be essentially Old Grome. Yet names are weird. To take name Aegon, it sounds Latin-ish at first. But Ae- prefix was most common in Anglo-Saxon names, and name itself may have been Anglo-Saxon. It also resembles Greek god of the sea, Aegaeon. Latin names meanwhile did not have many, if any, examples starting with Ae-. So what were inspirations? Not wanting to be captain obvious, but there is the pretty clear Lannister - Lancaster and Stark - York name similarities (plus these parallels go way deeper, with Ned being very similar to Richard the III-rd minus the nephew killing part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 6:51 PM, Loose Bolt said: In original books Zorro's real name is Don Jaime del Castelrey. So that's where Casterly Rock came from? It's too fitting to be a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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