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6 hours ago, Rorshach said:

I don't get that "interfering with play" on Sigurdsson there. 

He doesn't touch the ball. It's not aimed at him. He gets out of the way. And de Gea has already taken a jump to the right and wouldn't get close to the ball in any circumstanse. 

So .. by not touching the ball, not being passed to and not tricking the goalie he's interfering?

Baffling decision from the VAR.  Ancelotti was well within his rights to protest that decision.

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Real Madrid totally outplayed Barca in the second half and were the better side for most of the first half as well. Barca's midfield really shit the bed - Arthur and De Jong were useless. Braithwaite looked more dangerous in his 20 odd minutes than Griezmann and Messi did for 80 minutes.

This game also showed why it was such a huge blunder from Zidane to leave out Kroos in the City game -  his range of passing and accuracy ensured that Real were able to better maintain possession and thus control the tempo of the game. 

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On 2/29/2020 at 11:11 PM, Philokles said:

Mesut Özil suffers from racial discrimination inside the DFB. Thomas Müller says nothing.

Bayern agree a partnership with a human rights abusing petrostate. Thomas Müller says nothing.

Some Bayern fans put up a mildly offensive banner bruising a billionaire’s ego. Thomas Müller:

 

And Müller misses the point entirely. The protests over the WE had very little to do with Hopp himself.

Hoffenheim was a small village football club. That was until SAP cofounder Hopp decided to shower the club he played for as a kid in cash. He built the stadium and youth academy and thus gradually built an organization around the team other clubs with a longer and richer history could only dream of. The Hopp family (he and his sons) do not just throw cash at football clubs, they are also active in let's say less money blessed sports, like handball or ice hockey. That kinda his way to let the communities participate in his wealth (so his money goes into the local clubs, Mannheim in Handball and Icehockey). Funnily enough he toyed with the idea of investing his football cash into Waldhof Mannheim, who have more of a history. Personally, I am glad he did not go there, because their fan scene is not particularly pleasent, and they can rot in the lower leagues for all I care. And a small detail, which I should add in Hopp's defense. He is not playing sugar daddy like Abramovich used to do, and what the City owners do. He believes the club should be self-sustaining (so more in line with the Liverpool ownership).

Anyway, going back to Hopp and Hoppenheim, eh, Hoffenheim. Hopp and his club (intended or not) have become a symbol for the gentrification of football, or modern football. So on their way thru the leagues they were universally rejected. When they arrived in the Bundesliga 12 years ago (time really flies), they did unsurprisingly not receive a particularly warm welcome. Dortmund fans were arguably the most outspoken ones. So they started off with Hopp is the son of a whore chants right from the getgo. Hopp did not react particulary well to that, in one of the following seasons to avoid a repeat, they installed some noise machines that played an unpleasent whistle when the Dortmund fans wanted to get going again (something like that iirc). So that has been boiling and escalating for a bit.

Eventually the FA stepped in, and their arbitrary court ruled a suspended sentense, if they repeat that, Dortmund will have to play their away fixture at Hoffenheim without their fans. Change of FA leadership Grindel takes office. And the new leadership agrees that collective punishments are not the way to go. Bear in mind, there still was this suspended sentence pending in the background. Grindel had to resign in the aftermath of the Özil scandal. New FA chair is Keller, who is widely respected (he was the chairperson of Freiburg before he got elected as new FA chair). However the relationship between fans and FA has always been rocky, the (not) lifting the ban on pyro stuff (flares) is probably the most symbolic bone of contention, and security stuff in general. Now then, Dortmund's fans fully aware of the suspended sentence decided to pick that fight the FA and doubled down on their attacks on Hopp during their away game this season. Result, the suspended sentence became a real one. And now all this Hopp bashing from fan groups around the league is really more of fight between supporters and the FA with Hopp really just being the means to an end. So those anti-Hopp banners were present around the Bundesliga not just in Hoffenheim.

Now that's put the FA in particularly awkward position. They can either cave in and look weak, or stand their ground there. Which looks horrible from the outside. As in, they are putting their foot down over the bruised ego of a billionaire, while their response to xenophobia, homophobia and sexism has been rather weak. So this is really more of a fight between FA and Fans with Hopp caught in the middle of it.

The real kicker in this story however is, that fucking Red Bull Leipzig has replaced Hoffenheim as the most hated club and symbol of the gentrification of Football. After 12 years in the Bundesliga people have simply grown a bit more accustomed to it (arguably with the exception of Dortmund's supporters due to their personal history with Hoffenheim/Hopp). You can still view Hoffenheim as steaming pile of horseshit, but it just pales to the huge mountain of shit that is Leipzig. And Mateschitz undoubtedly deserves way more shit than Hopp does.

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Never go full Custis - His weird hatred of the athletic is quite amusing.

Re: The Athletic - I think it's fine but I feel like 7/10 articles I read about football are quite meh.

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I try not to moan about Refs but Mike Dean just gave Guendouzi a yellow for putting the ball down in an exaggerated way for a FK yet not giving the pompey player a yellow for a scissors tackle on torreira is...not great.

This referring performance & the everton/ United one have been so poor.

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Well, come to think of it I'm sure Kavanaugh just wanted to spare Ancelotti the experience of being on the wrong bench at Stamford Bridge.

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On 2/29/2020 at 9:45 PM, ljkeane said:

Matip's better than Lovren and Lovren didn't have a particularly good game but it was hardly the decisive factor in the game. All the rest of the defence were at least as responsible for a goal or two. On top of that we basically created one half decent chance (the Robertson shot) in the entire game. It was just a very poor performance and Watford deserved the win.

Haven't seen the match so I can't speak about who was at fault for those goals, but I remember reading Lovren's name on the team sheet and thinking: "There goes the clean sheet". Didn't expect a 3-0 defeat of course, but confidence in Liverpool's defensive performance was shaken, and I'm pretty certain other fans shared my feelings on that.

It is highly likely that if football fans are thinking that then something similar is in the back of Liverpool players' minds.

Liverpool's full backs have been defensively exposed on number of occasions throughout the season and it's one thing to have VVD and Gomez,  which is the best CBs pair in Premier League, there to cover for it or if you have Lovren to do it.

Let me repeat that I'm not saying that Lovren has done something wrong directly but it's the perception of his actions that can cause others to lack confidence in him which can reflect on the way they play the game.

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Liverpool: Adrian, Williams, Van Dijk, Gomez, Robertson, Fabinho, Lallana, Jones, Minamino, Mane, Origi.

Subs: Lonergan, Milner, Firmino, Salah, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Matip, Chirivella.

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Someone needs to suggest to our idiots that they might like to try shooting away from Kepa, rather than straight at him.

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6 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

Someone needs to suggest to our idiots that they might like to try shooting away from Kepa, rather than straight at him.

Mane looks non-serious,hes half-arsing it last couple of games.

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Mane's had a few dangerous moments so far, and Minamino has had a few nice touches too.

Fabinho still looks way off the pace. Does it always take him 10 games to stop being shit when he returns from injury?

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Origi is crap full stop.

Poor play in general from Liverpool though. No TAA, so no quality. All Klopp has us doing is either pumping it long from defence or playing it to the fullbacks and hoping they create something. The problem with that is Robertson is probably the least technically-able player in the team. He can run all day, and he can whip a good ball in while on the move, but he's not especially good at hitting static balls and he often doesn't have the accuracy to thread the finer passes. Williams is just a kid, so I'll give him a pass, but he's not even close to TAA.

With these fullbacks we need to use our midfield more.

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I'd sub off Fabinho and leave him on the bench for the next few games too. Play Wijnaldum deep until Henderson is back.

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