Larry of the Lawn Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Triskele said: Someone at Slate really didn't like that McWhorter piece. Thought it was Plains of Mengedda but wtf do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Queen Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 hours ago, larrytheimp said: The Gabbard as VP is a stupid rumor and Sanders would be idiotic to pick her. Gabbard is not popular outside of a very small faction. It's the same as the rumors going around that Bloomberg is going to pick Clinton as VP. These would be stupid picks for so many reasons. And fuck this "Sanders is holding the party hostage" and the same as Trump. If you want party unity how about not judging all Sanders supporters by a few of them instead of throwing these grenades? Bloomberg is total shit but I will vote for him in November against Trump if necessary. We get it, you don't like the people who like Sanders; maybe stop alienating them based on a loud and vocal minority of online people? And the idea that Sanders is actually in cahoots with Russia is one of the dumbest fucking things I've heard in these threads in a long time. You're not doing anymore for inviting against Trump than the Bernie or bust people. Remember that in 2016 something like 3/4 of Sanders primary voters voted for Clinton. You want to criticize Sanders go ahead, but you're focusing on the wackiest, most sensational rumors as if they're fact. This isn't helping anything. Oo, I must have hit a nerve. I really hope the Tulsi thing is a rumor just like the Bloomberg/Hillary thing. I hope he is not that stupid. I'm not helping any? Fair enough. Neither are they and they're acting like goons. Did you see what they did to Joe Biden? Keep it classy, Bernie bots. If we elect him we'll just be trading one cult for another. No thank you. I'll vote for him, and then spend the next 4 years making him a one termer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Triskele said: Someone at Slate really didn't like that McWhorter piece. That entire article is over (under?) my head, never heard of that movie. Way to commit to the metaphor I suppose. But Basil Exposition is most definitely not the antichrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin of Ice Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 My solace with how much favor Bloomberg has gotten in such a short time is that I think a lot of people are entranced by Bloomberg because he's the shiny new toy of the moment. Everyone else has been under the spotlight for months and months, with plenty of time for everyone to exaggerate every tiny flaw into a potential deal breaker. Bloomberg has come in late, skipping all that, and most people don't know anything about him other than what his ads say and that he was mayor of NYC (And since New York didn't revert back into the end times, Mad Maxesque hellhole that existed only in their dreams and movies during his term, they figure that he must have done a decent job.) I've been happily flogging the Vote Blue No Matter Who line, but I honestly don't know if I can stand to pull a level for Bloomberg. I mean, he did some good things as mayor of NYC, in particular he was much more farsighted than most in his efforts to turn the city into a tech hub, something that another mayor might have let slip by them. (Not that it didn't do more to make New York even more impossible to afford, however.) He's also aggressive in wanting to move against Climate Change, and good with me on a few other issues, such as his anti-gun push. With almost everything else... well, call me crazy, but if I wanted to vote for a rich racist who either makes up or believes fake crime statistics that link nearly all crime to brown people, suspects all Muslims of being potential terrorists and illegally spies on them, uses excessive police force against targets that he dislikes, (or who are protesting things that he likes) changes the term limits of his office so he can get a third term, spouts off about how any shift leftward on economics would turn the US into Venezuela, thinks that white people were the real victims of Stop and Frisk, has a longtime history of making wildly sexist and degrading comments about women, opposes the reform of police and incarceration, wants to privatize government functions and cut the safety net, and leaves remote areas hit by natural disasters without significant aid for weeks... if I wanted all that I'd probably be voting Republican instead of Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Triskele said: Depressing news about the Republican get out the vote machine. I suppose there's the obvious caveat that we don't know for sure how this will translate, but still. (Politico, unlimited clicks) There's just no way Dems win if they don't get out and vote. Republicans rarely seem to get complacent on voting, but the Dems need to get registered voters to actually vote, and keep inspiring new voters to join the fray. In my late 20s and early 30s, when I had fully shifted from Repub to Dem, I remember I didn't vote because it all felt like a fixed system. No matter who you took, nothing would really change. Whether that is legitimate or not (I will say those who feel that way are experiencing a legit reaction to the U.S. political process), the fact remains, too many people stay home. When you get them excited, they come out. Thus, I cannot fathom the idea of the pragmatic, centrist, moderate, whatever actually doing anything. In the last 20 years, it never has (Gore, Kerry, Clinton). Dems win when people are excited and inspired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ice Queen said: Oo, I must have hit a nerve. I really hope the Tulsi thing is a rumor just like the Bloomberg/Hillary thing. I hope he is not that stupid. I'm not helping any? Fair enough. Neither are they and they're acting like goons. Did you see what they did to Joe Biden? Keep it classy, Bernie bots. If we elect him we'll just be trading one cult for another. No thank you. I'll vote for him, and then spend the next 4 years making him a one termer. I think if you hit a nerve, it was due to how uninformed your views are. They are easily as problematic as what you consider the far left to be doing. Sanders has a long history of compromise in his record as a congressman, he will not choose someone so polarizing that even his base would be split over it. I suppose, too, if we're trading one cult out in place of the neoliberal cult, then I'm all for it. Your bitterness does nothing to help you. I was pretty anti-Clinton, but when she became the nominee, I voted for her, and I knew the importance of supporting her as if she was a "one termer" that meant Republicans were back in. The so-called centrists of the Dem party are truly unhinged. Also, your first post that said the far left needs their own party--that's super smart. In fact, so smart, if Bernie doesn't get the nom, he should run third party in the Presidential election, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Triskele said: On that note... I mostly just follow along and read these threads but have to comment to say you really do seem to have an article that will response to anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said: I thought "trim" meant pussy. I'm not that old. The fuck? Has the vernacular of the day passed me by? Do I drift through a fog of incomprehension, blind to the dimness of today's discourse? What witless witticisms have I witnessed without wishing woe upon the wasteful whisperers whose waxings I regard, well, wanting? Keeping trim is distinct from finding or getting trim. Though since you bring up waxing maybe better to move this to pubic grooming thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said: I wasn't expecting three posts in a row of intelligent commentary. I'm doing my part to retore balance. I think you'll have to do a lot better than just leaving the "s" out of "restore" to seem unintelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Ice Queen said: Oo, I must have hit a nerve. I really hope the Tulsi thing is a rumor just like the Bloomberg/Hillary thing. I hope he is not that stupid. I'm not helping any? Fair enough. Neither are they and they're acting like goons. Did you see what they did to Joe Biden? Keep it classy, Bernie bots. If we elect him we'll just be trading one cult for another. No thank you. I'll vote for him, and then spend the next 4 years making him a one termer. Who are they? A few people? How'd that work out for Clinton calling out Trump's supporters en masse? You can find people online being assholes who support every candidate. It's not like the other candidates have impeccable supporters or staff either; just today a Buttigieg communications director accidentally posted a campaign message from a Twitter alt purporting to be a Nigerian person who loves Buttigieg. How many women is Sanders accused of sexually harassing? How about Bloomberg? I have no issue trashing candidates but I'm not about to trash voters with a bunch of personal attacks. Because I know that in a couple months I may very well be asking them to vote for Sanders. Or whomever. I think Bloomberg is a total piece of shit, less so than Trump, but I can understand why he has a lot of support right now from people who feel he's the best choice, and I'm not going to insult them for it. If you can't differentiate between honestly but crudely criticizing a candidate and insulting people who you might be asking to fall in line and vote in a couple months I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Sorry for double post, I know this is just one question on one poll, but doesn't look like a bunch of renegades hijacking a party to me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 58 minutes ago, larrytheimp said: Who are they? A few people? How'd that work out for Clinton calling out Trump's supporters en masse? You can find people online being assholes who support every candidate. It's not like the other candidates have impeccable supporters or staff either; just today a Buttigieg communications director accidentally posted a campaign message from a Twitter alt purporting to be a Nigerian person who loves Buttigieg. How many women is Sanders accused of sexually harassing? How about Bloomberg? I have no issue trashing candidates but I'm not about to trash voters with a bunch of personal attacks. Because I know that in a couple months I may very well be asking them to vote for Sanders. Or whomever. I think Bloomberg is a total piece of shit, less so than Trump, but I can understand why he has a lot of support right now from people who feel he's the best choice, and I'm not going to insult them for it. If you can't differentiate between honestly but crudely criticizing a candidate and insulting people who you might be asking to fall in line and vote in a couple months I don't know what to tell you. To be fair, Biden supporters don't get online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, larrytheimp said: Who are they? A few people? How'd that work out for Clinton calling out Trump's supporters en masse? You can find people online being assholes who support every candidate. It's not like the other candidates have impeccable supporters or staff either; just today a Buttigieg communications director accidentally posted a campaign message from a Twitter alt purporting to be a Nigerian person who loves Buttigieg. How many women is Sanders accused of sexually harassing? How about Bloomberg? I have no issue trashing candidates but I'm not about to trash voters with a bunch of personal attacks. Because I know that in a couple months I may very well be asking them to vote for Sanders. Or whomever. I think Bloomberg is a total piece of shit, less so than Trump, but I can understand why he has a lot of support right now from people who feel he's the best choice, and I'm not going to insult them for it. If you can't differentiate between honestly but crudely criticizing a candidate and insulting people who you might be asking to fall in line and vote in a couple months I don't know what to tell you. That's true but that doesn't mean we can't measure it. Everyone knows that Trump supporters are riled by there leaders sure there are bad actors on all sides but if you polled the Democratic candidates supporters everyone is going to point the finger at the Bernie camp. No other candidate's campaign has sent loads of snake emojis to another candidate. Bernie supporters have "cute" little nicknames for other candidates they call Warren "the snake" and Mayor Peter "the rat" no other Democratic candidate has that though I can think of a Republican who uses names like that. It's fairly common for Bernie supporters to accuse Mayor Pete of "rigging" the Iowa caucus it's all over reddit no other candidate's supporters do that. Again on reddit any anti Bernie media is called "fake news" the Washington post and New York Times are dismissed as corporate shill and socialist rags like Jacobin are voted to the front page. Look I realize this is a minority of supporters, mostly the Very Online ones but you know with Trumps campaign but it's pretty clearly that one campaign in the Democratic primary has a much greater problem with cult of personality and an authoritarian mindset then the others. No other Democratic candidate has something the equivalent of r/chapotraphouse no other candidate has people compiling enemies lists on twitter. In Benries subs on reddit are run like the Donald all dissent and leading questions is banned and deleted where as other candidates subs allow much more discussion. Bernie has a problem with his base and supporters more so than any other Democratic candidate and while I realize every campaign will have bad actors and supporters these trends and spaces have no equivalent in other campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stego Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Bernie or Trump is the only choice moderate Democrats face. In 2016 they chose Trump. Will they do it again? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Darzin said: Bernie supporters have "cute" little nicknames for other candidates they call Warren "the snake" and Mayor Peter "the rat" no other Democratic candidate has that though I can think of a Republican who uses names like that. This isn't just Bernie supporters, pretty much my entire slice of twitter (which leans very heavily LGBTQ) has been calling him this since Iowa and that's far from exclusively Bernie supporters, I don't think he'd even have the plurality. On the Bloomberg issue, I think the entire idea of him as a unity candidate is misplaced in this election. The only way he's a unity candidate is if you're looking at the general election and think splitting the middle of Dems and GOP is the way to go, which I think is an express ticket to losing because there are very very few Trump voters that you're going to flip even if your candidate is basically a current Republican. A unity candidate for the purpose of this primary and this election should be in the middle of the camps within the Dems. I think Warren and Biden are probably the two still in the race closest to that from either side - Warren pulling centre from the left, Biden pulling left from the center. And they aren't even the ones doing well, so that's even less justification for chasing a unity candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Callers Only Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Imagine supporting Bloomberg 'I'm a racist republican billionaire' for anything much less against the well deserved punishment billionaires deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stego Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Serious Callers Only said: Imagine supporting Bloomberg 'I'm a racist republican billionaire' for anything much less against the well deserved punishment billionaires deserve. You would have to be a gigantic piece of shit with no integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Darzin said: Everyone knows that Trump supporters are riled by there leaders sure there are bad actors on all sides but if you polled the Democratic candidates supporters everyone is going to point the finger at the Bernie camp. Sound and fury, signifying nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 So far on this thread the toxicity has been pretty one-sided. Within the last three pages of discussion, Sanders was called a Russian asset, demagogue, narcissist, and sourceless rumors about Gabbard vice-presidency were presented as facts. By the same standard, Bloomberg and the other "moderates" should be hounded to publicly renounce their online supporters on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Fortunately for all our sakes, Bloomberg has taken the very wise step for a presidential candidate of calling farmers stupid (is is it another old video that's surfaced? I can't listen atm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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