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3 hours ago, Rippounet said:

Fresh news:

Don't see how a court could condemn the NYT with the New York Times Co. v. Sullivan precedent.

Given that Trump says "there will be more coming" (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-on-new-york-times-libel-lawsuit-there-will-be-more-coming-79504965820) seems this is just a SLAPP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN8bJb8biZU).
I just don't get the timing though, it seems this is a weird moment to do this.

Deflection. Always deflection. Trump is trying to hide something. Maybe he has polling showing him losing to Bernie. 

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18 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Deflection. Always deflection. Trump is trying to hide something. Maybe he has polling showing him losing to Bernie. 

Considering how much he's been cheering on "Crazy Bernie" in his tweets, I think its more likely he has polling showing him beating Sanders.

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1 minute ago, Fez said:

Considering how much he's been cheering on "Crazy Bernie" in his tweets, I think its more likely he has polling showing him beating Sanders.

Probably. Or at the very least, losing to one of the other contenders. 

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22 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Deflection. Always deflection. Trump is trying to hide something. Maybe he has polling showing him losing to Bernie. 

Or he thinks he could win this. I would not blame him given his court-stacking.

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The Turtle's statement about Bernie definitely felt like a hint that he wants to face Sanders.

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2 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

 

Not sure if even Bloomberg has enough though to fend off all the lawsuits Trump would throw out.

Bah, I’m surprised Trump has a law firm willing to work for him, considering he’s so notorious about not paying bills, and secondly because many good law firms won’t act for Trump because they don’t want to damage their reputations by acting for him.

Whatever law firm filed the law suit is probably the law firm that will file every law suit, if indeed there’s more to come. Bloomberg could do the same, put a law firm on retainer and have them file every defense to every Trump suit.

Trump almost never follows through on his law suits anyway, they’re intimidation suits meant to shut people up, to bully them.

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20 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Rich having a German try to improve a game based on military tacticians. :lmao:

I thought you learned you can conquer through economics, not warfare.

That's one way to look at it. My approach was more in line with the tradional logic of dictatorships.

Panem et circenses. So more back to life and death feel of the old Roman arena. Thought as an American you'd be appreciative of that, since Rome was a bit f role model for your Republic.

I mean what could satisfy the masses more than Roger Stone or Harvey Weinstein getting their heads smashed in on the fields of the arena, pardon football fields.

And as German, we have more experience with dictatorships.

Alternatively, you could also remove any restrictions on opioids. To borrow from another thinker, you'd literally have (even more) opioids for the masses. So you don't have to rely televangelists.

Edited by A Horse Named Stranger

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1 hour ago, Fez said:

Considering how much he's been cheering on "Crazy Bernie" in his tweets, I think its more likely he has polling showing him beating Sanders.

Nah.  Much simpler.  Distraction from coronavirus and attendant market behavior.  If the economy is bad come October he loses (unless he's got everyone sufficiently distracted).  I think it is that simple.

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Man I haven't been paying too much attention to the market throughout the week.  Guess I figured it'd rebound and I've just been busy.  But damn.  We're getting pretty close to "correction" territory.  The market is not the best indicator for predicting presidential elections - that would be GDP growth - but the two are obviously correlated.  It would be pretty hilarious if Trump was felled by another virus.

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1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said:

Bah, I’m surprised Trump has a law firm willing to work for him, considering he’s so notorious about not paying bills, and secondly because many good law firms won’t act for Trump because they don’t want to damage their reputations by acting for him.

Whatever law firm filed the law suit is probably the law firm that will file every law suit, if indeed there’s more to come. Bloomberg could do the same, put a law firm on retainer and have them file every defense to every Trump suit.

Trump almost never follows through on his law suits anyway, they’re intimidation suits meant to shut people up, to bully them.

Trump's lawyer is Charles Harder who represented Peter Thiel in his lawsuit against Gawker. He's the go-to guy for wealthy celebrities who want to use the power of defamation lawsuits to try and suppress ugly facts.  And yes, it's pretty likely Harder will handle all defamation suits going forward. 

That said, the suit is misconceived and bound to fail because of the First Amendment.  John Solomon's "opinion" pieces in the Hill fanning the Hunter Biden Ukraine controversy would be potentially defamatory under the standard adopted by Trump, but  pointing out his hypocrisy is really a waste of breath.

The lawsuit is an attempt to work the refs and bolster the conspiracy narrative that the media and the Dems have been out to get him from Day 1. 

Edited by Gaston de Foix

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12 minutes ago, DMC said:

Man I haven't been paying too much attention to the market throughout the week.  Guess I figured it'd rebound and I've just been busy.  But damn.  We're getting pretty close to "correction" territory.  The market is not the best indicator for predicting presidential elections - that would be GDP growth - but the two are obviously correlated.  It would be pretty hilarious if Trump was felled by another virus.

Yup.  My 401K has taken a beating.  

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In "no, BernieBros are really that bad" news, because of Warren's response last night in a town hall in which she pointed out, rightly, that Sanders in 2016 supported superdelegates overturning the will of the plurality of voters to elect him and now is afraid of it - #PrimaryWarren is trending, where they want to make Warren lose her Senate seat.

Yes, NOT ALL BERNIE supporters, but fuck. 

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33 minutes ago, DMC said:

Man I haven't been paying too much attention to the market throughout the week.  Guess I figured it'd rebound and I've just been busy.  But damn.  We're getting pretty close to "correction" territory.  The market is not the best indicator for predicting presidential elections - that would be GDP growth - but the two are obviously correlated.  It would be pretty hilarious if Trump was felled by another virus.

I think just about every market around the world is IN correction territory. But, keep in mind, I think the Nasdaq is only just down for the year and the Dow is down to late November. I will make some wild statements that you might want to consider and talk to an adviser about. 
 

There will likely be a ‘dead cat bounce’ pretty soon. That’s a term of art for ‘ok, the correction is over and I’m going to jump in because these prices look great’ in some circles and ‘look at the idiots who think this correction is over’ in others. If you are worried and you see prices go up you may want to sell into the bounce up.

I personally believe there is more to come simply because Covid-19 has not spread yet in the US, and there’s no way in hell the US can stop it when it’s spreading everywhere else. For one thing, this ‘first’ reported case of a community case of Covid-19 in Sacramento? Hospitals have not been allowed to test for Covid-19 unless the patient fits into a narrow definition, that they travelled to China or associated with someone who travelled to China. The CDC has to broaden the criteria. There might be dozens or even hundreds of cases out there this very minute. My expectation is that there will be a second down-leg once more stories come out.

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36 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

In "no, BernieBros are really that bad" news, because of Warren's response last night in a town hall in which she pointed out, rightly, that Sanders in 2016 supported superdelegates overturning the will of the plurality of voters to elect him and now is afraid of it - #PrimaryWarren is trending, where they want to make Warren lose her Senate seat.

Yes, NOT ALL BERNIE supporters, but fuck. 

I wonder if mr consistent who speaks the truth is going to address the hypocrisy of his newfound reversal on this or just double down per usual.  Things like this make his complaints about rigged systems sure sound like little more than whining to be allowed to rig things in his own favor.   I’m also curious if the vitriol toward Warren will be met this time with more than speculation about how it’s probably not even really his fan base so why should he take ownership (it could be a guy sitting in bed who weighs 400 lbs, ok?

eta: fwiw it would do a lot in my view of him if he does confront the hypocrisy and say he supports the decision he originally fought for on this.  Double if he speaks forthrightly against the vitriol being spewed on his behalf.   

Edited by butterbumps!

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41 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

 

I personally believe there is more to come simply because Covid-19 has not spread yet in the US, and there’s no way in hell the US can stop it when it’s spreading everywhere else. For one thing, this ‘first’ reported case of a community case of Covid-19 in Sacramento? Hospitals have not been allowed to test for Covid-19 unless the patient fits into a narrow definition, that they travelled to China or associated with someone who travelled to China. The CDC has to broaden the criteria. There might be dozens or even hundreds of cases out there this very minute. My expectation is that there will be a second down-leg once more stories come out.

The first case is chilling. She had no contact with anyone who was at risk, suggesting it’s already in the general public. And worse, she was at the hospital for four days waiting for the test, so her interactions with staff could cause more infections, and then their unknown interactions further spread it.

Decent chances this pops soon.

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1 hour ago, Gaston de Foix said:

Trump's lawyer is Charles Harder who represented Peter Thiel in his lawsuit against Gawker. He's the go-to guy for wealthy celebrities who want to use the power of defamation lawsuits to try and suppress ugly facts.  And yes, it's pretty likely Harder will handle all defamation suits going forward. 

That said, the suit is misconceived and bound to fail because of the First Amendment.  John Solomon's "opinion" pieces in the Hill fanning the Hunter Biden Ukraine controversy would be potentially defamatory under the standard adopted by Trump, but  pointing out his hypocrisy is really a waste of breath.

The lawsuit is an attempt to work the refs and bolster the conspiracy narrative that the media and the Dems have been out to get him from Day 1. 

I looked up Harder out of curiousity and I see that he created his firm in 2013 with two other well-known lawyers, and one of them left the firm in 2018. Apparently they formed the firm in order to be strong defenders of the first amendment, and the partner found that taking clients like Trump was incompatible with their original mission statement. And his clients were getting upset seeing what kind of clients the firm was taking on.

I also see that Harder was reported as 'stalking' CNN. I assume the next law suit will be against them, and perhaps some of their hosts personally.

It has been reported that Trump is searching for dirt against some of the ex-military figures who held positions in his administration and eventually left or were forced out, hoping to bring criminal charges against them.

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1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said:

The first case is chilling. She had no contact with anyone who was at risk, suggesting it’s already in the general public. And worse, she was at the hospital for four days waiting for the test, so her interactions with staff could cause more infections, and then their unknown interactions further spread it.

Decent chances this pops soon.

It's even more shocking than that. California is following 8,500 people! A researcher from the Boston area I just saw interviewed says there are many people there who should be tested for Covid-19 as well.

This makes me wonder how much the CDC has been infiltrated by Trumpers, or is being ordered around by Trumpers. We are in great shape in the US, it's contained!

You think the Chinese population is suspicious of it's authorities, wait until the American public becomes aware of this stuff.

It kind of reminds me of how cynical I got about mad cow disease. Canada made public the news that some cases were discovered, and we suffered badly for it, our beef being banned by many countries for years. The US? Nope, we got none here! Nosirree! Just ignore those cattle ranchers burying a herd with bulldozers in the back forty....no those cows aren't staggering and falling as we drive them into the slaughterhouses...

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2 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

That's one way to look at it. My approach was more in line with the tradional logic of dictatorships.

Panem et circenses. So more back to life and death feel of the old Roman arena. Thought as an American you'd be appreciative of that, since Rome was a bit f role model for your Republic.

I mean what could satisfy the masses more than Roger Stone or Harvey Weinstein getting their heads smashed in on the fields of the arena, pardon football fields.

And as German, we have more experience with dictatorships.

Alternatively, you could also remove any restrictions on opioids. To borrow from another thinker, you'd literally have (even more) opioids for the masses. So you don't have to rely televangelists.

I get the point you’re making, but I’d just have the white collar criminals play lions, tigers and bears, go die!  

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Oh myyyyyyy....

The Dow fell 400 points in the last few minutes, closing almost 1,200 down.

That may have been accelerated by the California governor saying they are screening 8,500 people. It was the governor that said it.

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