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I tried watching Transformers: Age of Extinction, last night which I had avoided up until now, but was bored and I happened to be on the FX channel when it started.    I cringed through almost an hour and a half, but then looked at the listing and realized there were still two more hours to go, and I just couldn't.

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On 3/23/2020 at 5:49 PM, Argonath Diver said:

I'd consider my entire experience watching Lucifer hate-watching. That show is so stupid, predictable, banal, and damnit I watched the shit out of all these incredibly beautiful people solving idiotic crime mysteries and doing light-hearted bondage soap opera. Can't wait for the eye-rolling finale season that will piss me off constantly as I binge the entire thing in one sitting.

Ha, I started watching this a few weeks ago. I can't say I'm hate-watching it, but there is lot of silliness and predictability. The police procedural aspect follows the same tired tropes, so I can predict the killer of the week in the first 5 minutes. The only thing that the show has going for it is Lucifer's journey, and his relationship with Dekker. And this is why I found season 1 and 2 to be quite fun, as they had a pretty good pace and decent development. But I'm on season 3 and it's really meandering. I guess the writers really wanted to string this along.

That being said season 3 does have one of the best episodes so far:

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"Off the Record" the one about the journalist stuck in his own hell.

 

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On 5/28/2020 at 2:06 PM, RumHam said:

Yeah, the show is pretty bad. Season two is probably my favorite one though. Lang is great in it. There's a sequel to the witch season if you wanted to continue that story. I don't think I even finished the last season come to think of it. Now I see they're making something called American Horror Stories which is just confusing. 

I'm trying season 2, but I'm taken out of it being a period piece! Which is crazy because I was all for the 80s period piece. I wonder what American Horror Stories will be like?

13 hours ago, Annara Snow said:

I usually don't hatewatch, bur was borderline hatewatching TWD for a long time, until it got too boring and annoying. For a long time, it had the annoying habit of occasionally featuring a decent episode that made me care about characters - just as I was about to drop the show - and then reverting to total garbage. It got worse and got worse with how contrived and nonsensical the scenarios were, with people acting incredibly stupid so they get themselves killed, or the show insulting the viewers' intelligence.

For the former, there were always scenes where

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two characters would have a quiet and nice moment talking, and suddenly a lone zombie would come out of the trees and bite one of them. I'm pretty sure that happened a bunch of times. How the heck does a zombie sneak up on you?! An actual living human could - but zombies are smelly, noisy, slow and mindless!

For characters acting stupid just so bad things would happen, there are too many examples. A couple from season 6 that come to mind:

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Daryl meets these three people running away from Negan, a married couple and the woman's sister. There's been a fire and a part of the forest burned down. Those three look for a couple of friends of theirs who had a tent there and find their burned dead bodies on the ground. Then one of the women kneels down to lay flowers next to their corpses. I was already facepalmimg - why is she such an idiot, alongside the other 3, especially Daryl, who's an experienced zombie killer and should really know that zombies are really dead only when you pierce or blow up their brains?! And of course, one of the dead bodies bites her in the neck.

Another really dumb death of a likable supporting character who was a medical student or a trained nurse, I don't remember , but due to the lack of doctors, she stepped up and had to become the community's doctor. It went well, but then, when most of the group is out scouting, she gets this stupid idea in her head that she's useless and weak if she can't kill zombies, and insists that two of the experienced zombie killers take her with them on a mission just to prove something to herself. And they agree. What's wrong with all three of them? Being the community's only medical practitioner is far more important than being one of your many zombie killers! Why would you risk her! She manages to kill a zombie and not get bitten, but then she's  killed by a bullet out of nowhere, mid-sentence, by one of the baddies who have it in for her friends. Nice job, now you've lost your only doctor because you were stupid.

And ahen a couple of episodes later this is the reason why the entire group starts going to another town/community to find their doctor, because they have a pregnant woman among them who's about to give birth. Another Idiot Ball plot that ends up with them being captured by the baddies they've been in conflict with, so terrible things and more torture porn would happen to them throughout the next season.

Negan himself was so unbelievable to me. 

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How the heck did he get power over so many people? Why was anyone following him, let alone worshipping him?  He was an obvious psycho whowas also annoying as hell and would never shut up, he  was even mistreating his own people,  punishimg some of his men with mutilation, forcing women into sexual slavery where they had to "marry" him - even some that were married to his men and had to do it to save their husbands - and he was unpredictable, if he decided one of his men was betraying him, he killed him immediately. So even his goons couldn't have felt safe. How did none of these people kill him long time ago? It's not like he was even particularly strong by himself, or a former special ops or navy SEAL or anything. He was a former gym teacher or something like that.

 

I never made it to Negan, though I love that actor. TWD pulled in such amazing talent for it to be soooooooo bad, you know?

P.S. 

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My son and I always used to make fun of the teleporting zombie hoards that would just show up whenever convenient. Half the time, zombies attacked from directly in front of characters--where they should have easily seen them.

Also, your summary of when the medical person just had to go out and kill zombies perfectly sums up the issue of the entire show. People just did things because the script called for it. Daryl's character, for example, would be smart enough to say, "No, you aren't coming with us." But because the script calls for it, he suddenly allows it? ugh.

 

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56 minutes ago, Simon Steele said:

 I wonder what American Horror Stories will be like?

I assume it'll be a twilight zone kinda anthology where every episode is a self contained thing. 

  

38 minutes ago, Poobah said:

Serious question: how drunk will I need to be to find something approaching enjoyment from The Rise of Skywalker?

I would say at least enough to ensure you won't remember it tomorrow. 

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45 minutes ago, Poobah said:

Serious question: how drunk will I need to be to find something approaching enjoyment from The Rise of Skywalker?

I mean, that depends. I grew up on the OT, my first theater experience was return of the Jedi. And I loved Rise of Skywalker. I think of you enjoyed the other two movies in the trilogy it's pretty great. Rey gets a great arc, Kylo has an interesting story, and it's a lot of fun. There's no doubt it's two movies packed into one.

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1 hour ago, Simon Steele said:

I mean, that depends. I grew up on the OT, my first theater experience was return of the Jedi. And I loved Rise of Skywalker. I think of you enjoyed the other two movies in the trilogy it's pretty great. Rey gets a great arc, Kylo has an interesting story, and it's a lot of fun. There's no doubt it's two movies packed into one.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s great, but I liked it. And I certainly don’t think you need to be drunk to enjoy it. It’s the weakest of the 3 by far, and the story is a mess, but it also hit me in the feels a few different times. Kylo Ren is one of the best characters in all of Star Wars, idc what anyone says. 

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11 hours ago, Nictarion said:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s great, but I liked it. And I certainly don’t think you need to be drunk to enjoy it. It’s the weakest of the 3 by far, and the story is a mess, but it also hit me in the feels a few different times. Kylo Ren is one of the best characters in all of Star Wars, idc what anyone says. 

Yeah, Rise of the Skywalker is the weakest of the three and a total creative mess, but it does have the same strength as the previous two, that the Rey/Kylo Ren story arc is reasonably strong and well-handled and everything else is kind of a mess and they clearly didn't know what to do with Finn once he completed his apparent primary purpose: being a decoy Jedi for Rey in the trailers for The Force Awakens.

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On 5/29/2020 at 7:15 PM, Poobah said:

Serious question: how drunk will I need to be to find something approaching enjoyment from The Rise of Skywalker?

Meh, not that drunk. Only drunk enough to turn off your critical thinking skills.

I did not hate the movie, I kind of enjoyed it, but any serious analysis (or not so serious analysis) will reveal what an absolute mess it is.

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Sherlock

It's such an incredibly stupid show about an ostensibly smart person. And the show clearly thinks that it's smart, which makes it even more stupid. I genuinely hate it for the contempt it clearly had for its audience. It's an overproduced, nonsensically written mess, and I couldn't tear my eyes away. 

Definitely recommend checking out hbomberguy's critique of the show.

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13 hours ago, Liffguard said:

Definitely recommend checking out hbomberguy's critique of the show.

I gave up at the start of season 3, but Hbomb was defo on point for a lot of his critiques. That was a good video.

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I just finished American Horror Story: Hotel. Holy shit, this show began shitty, and now has gone off the rails completely. I realized though, it has amazing music--and I mean the original score. It's progressively gotten better, and I'm a sucker for 80s synth, but this show's score is way too good for it.

I'm taking a break before going into Roanoke. I really love some of the actors, but at the same time, I'm wondering how so many great actors can read these scripts and go along with it? 

 

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Oooh you know, I forgot about Roanoke when I said season two was probably the least shitty. I liked a lot of what they did with Roanoke. If only for the change of format to mix things up a bit. 

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5 hours ago, RumHam said:

Oooh you know, I forgot about Roanoke when I said season two was probably the least shitty. I liked a lot of what they did with Roanoke. If only for the change of format to mix things up a bit. 

I'll have to keep it on the back burner and go back. Hotel was so fucking ridicu I need the break!

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