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Will We Stand The Corona Test of Time? - Covid #7

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3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

 What influences the course of the epidemic within any country are the "pre-healthcare" actions taken to limit the spread. Social distancing, social isolation etc. 

A strong public health system is something you need - it's the core of combating a pandemic, it isn't just individual responsibility when it comes to epidemics ( social distancing/ isolation), most public health systems are weak and underfunded because so much health expenditure is concentrated elsewhere.

How good is your contact tracing? How good is your notification system for notifiable disease? How quickly can you set up good isolation & central quarantine pathways? These are the things that matter. Can you set up a central quarantine system like they did in Wuhan with different pathways for people that are 1. Test Positive, 2. Suspected Cases ( with symptoms) 3. Have Fever 4. Close contacts with confirmed or suspected cases? - These are the public health actions that matter and unfortunately are complex and hard to get right if your health system isn't prepared for them ( Wuhan is fascinating given the changes in the R0 before and after centralized quarantine , getting it from 3 to 0.32 is impressive as fuck)

A strong public health system, with the right mixture of public health officials and government official with the power to enact change go a long way. Unfortunately, it is not something that most countries invest in, including the US where public health is left to state health departments with the CDC in an advisory role, which is why you see such a varied ( among states) and arguably disastrous response to Ebola and now SARS-Cov 2 in the US.

11 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

Provided that we can get our hands on enough ventilators, trained staff, and PPE to allow them to work

Unfortunately, staffing is a big issue. Even before this crisis hit, there was a recognition amongst the government that their health service needs doctors ( I talk about doctors here as I'm familiar with that more than anything else) - and remember, this is a Tory govt recognizing this - in preparation for Brexit, the govt included all medical professionals in the 'shortage occupation list' for visas, making it much easier for people outside the EU to be hired as doctors in the NHS.

Now, the Tories being the Tories are going to try and make up that money by increasing the health surcharge that migrants, including doctors have to pay every year to access to NHS service to about 600 pounds per year in October this year (My visa application to the UK required me paying 1200 pounds for 3 years, and this is before application fees), but with EU doctors leaving because of Brexit, there has never been more of a shortage for staff at every level - and this is all before the epidemic. These staffing issues have existed for years and are especially worse in the winter, so the staffing issue is not a new thing, but is made even worse by the strain the NHS is under during the winter & during a pandemic like this one.

Which is why the General Medical Council put out a call for 15,000 doctors to come back and help with the NHS during the pandemic ( retired, people who gave up their license), in addition, doctors from surgical specialties are being asked to take on shifts to learn how to operate vents, pick up ICU shifts and help out with the epidemic. On top of that you add the lack of PPE & not testing front line NHS staff, and it's a nightmare.

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46 minutes ago, Impmk2 said:

Despite the somewhat lackluster response Australia actually doesn't look to be doing too badly at the moment. Testing is still happening pretty extensively, we're only getting 1-2% positive depending on where you live, daily increases have been in the steady ~400 range for the last 5 days rather than exponential, and still have a very very low death rate (though that's a lagging indicator). We only really started to lock down beginning of this week, so should start to see the effects of that in about another week or so too. Fingers crossed we dodged the bullet, though probably need to see how things go over the next couple weeks to know for sure.

My uni has just announced that it's shutting down to non-essential staff as at April 1. We're scrambling to see if our research is classed as essential. 

Yeah my criticism in this case was specifically aimed at the leadership of the PM/Government and their failure to inspire confidence and trust, or eve to communicate a clear message about what they are actually doing. Announcing that only essential businesses will be allowed to continue, but then undermining his own announcement by making a political statement about how "everyone with a job is essential" or whatever it was.

Not criticising our health authorities and their handling of things.

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Day 12 of the lockdown.

Have I mentioned that my mother is a person solely driven by fear and has been for the last 8 years?

It should come to nobody's surprise that she at some point stopped ignoring me and pretended her pointless anger at me never happened because she remembered she still needed someone to rant to. Things therefore have been quite normal for the last few days and I successfully managed to finish almost all my work. Yesterday I then intended to spend the whole day finishing correcting my last exams to get this off the table, but the desk was blocked by my mother going utterly Corona crazy and I was unable to do anything at all.

The reason is that our supplies of fresh food are running out since we weren't outside since Monday last week and she is affected by watching Corona-related talkshows all day every day since then. She is now too scared to go out and when I offer to do the groceries as usual she snaps at me for being an idiot since I am apparently even more at risk in her mind and she forbids me to go out. Instead she spent the whole day, the whole day, trying to figure out how to order food at the supermarket online (despite their stock looking miserable and expensive and the delivery dates being booked out for the next three months), but cowering in fear at every step ("Why do they want my telephone number? There is something fishy about this! Have I been hacked?"). In the end she didn't order anything, but today demanded that I sign up for it and order something instead after we had just another argument about me going out to buy shit.

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Oh come on. We have a “partial” lockdown. A partial lockdown. Which cancels out every necessary action I would have liked to take to prepare for the upcoming weeks and my sister’s traveling to the city for an online exam. But it allows people to see a manicurist. :shocked: I mean I get that we are trying to support these businesses but without the intention of offending anybody, aren’t manicures the least important thing in the world right now? 

 

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39 minutes ago, Toth said:

Day 12 of the lockdown.

Have I mentioned that my mother is a person solely driven by fear and has been for the last 8 years?

It should come to nobody's surprise that she at some point stopped ignoring me and pretended her pointless anger at me never happened because she remembered she still needed someone to rant to. Things therefore have been quite normal for the last few days and I successfully managed to finish almost all my work. Yesterday I then intended to spend the whole day finishing correcting my last exams to get this off the table, but the desk was blocked by my mother going utterly Corona crazy and I was unable to do anything at all.

The reason is that our supplies of fresh food are running out since we weren't outside since Monday last week and she is affected by watching Corona-related talkshows all day every day since then. She is now too scared to go out and when I offer to do the groceries as usual she snaps at me for being an idiot since I am apparently even more at risk in her mind and she forbids me to go out. Instead she spent the whole day, the whole day, trying to figure out how to order food at the supermarket online (despite their stock looking miserable and expensive and the delivery dates being booked out for the next three months), but cowering in fear at every step ("Why do they want my telephone number? There is something fishy about this! Have I been hacked?"). In the end she didn't order anything, but today demanded that I sign up for it and order something instead after we had just another argument about me going out to buy shit.

Why don't you just ignore her and go out and do the shopping?

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21 minutes ago, RhaenysBee said:

Oh come on. We have a “partial” lockdown. A partial lockdown. Which cancels out every necessary action I would have liked to take to prepare for the upcoming weeks and my sister’s traveling to the city for an online exam. But it allows people to see a manicurist. :shocked: I mean I get that we are trying to support these businesses but without the intention of offending anybody, aren’t manicures the least important thing in the world right now? 

 

That varies by country or state. I'm fairly sure manicurists are shut down here. Hairdressers too. Grocery stores are still open, though. Handling those shopping carts is a bit scary, though. People don't always keep distance either. Still, you can't avoid them for weeks, or months even. 

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20 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

Why don't you just ignore her and go out and do the shopping?

You see, that is my plan. But I fully expect to be reprimanded if I 'forget' to get anything she needs after she refuses to make a shopping list. And it is tough going out spontaneously when there is a person around constantly screeching that you are dooming you two to certain death if you go out.

Is anyone really surprised that I have grown up to become a person who needs several hours writing an E-Mail because I am damn near constantly worrying about how to phrase everything?

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25 minutes ago, Toth said:

You see, that is my plan. But I fully expect to be reprimanded if I 'forget' to get anything she needs after she refuses to make a shopping list. And it is tough going out spontaneously when there is a person around constantly screeching that you are dooming you two to certain death if you go out.

Is anyone really surprised that I have grown up to become a person who needs several hours writing an E-Mail because I am damn near constantly worrying about how to phrase everything?

If she makes you miserable anyway a bit of peace and quiet and exercise sounds exactly what you need. I'd also buy some booze, you sound like you deserve a drink. 

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43 minutes ago, Toth said:

You see, that is my plan. But I fully expect to be reprimanded if I 'forget' to get anything she needs after she refuses to make a shopping list. And it is tough going out spontaneously when there is a person around constantly screeching that you are dooming you two to certain death if you go out.

Is anyone really surprised that I have grown up to become a person who needs several hours writing an E-Mail because I am damn near constantly worrying about how to phrase everything?

No that doesn’t surprise me at all after what you’ve described, I’ve always been a bit shoot from the hip as far as email composition goes!.

I’d just go out and do some shopping or for a walk or anything to clear your head if you need to.

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54 minutes ago, Toth said:

You see, that is my plan. But I fully expect to be reprimanded if I 'forget' to get anything she needs after she refuses to make a shopping list. And it is tough going out spontaneously when there is a person around constantly screeching that you are dooming you two to certain death if you go out.

Is anyone really surprised that I have grown up to become a person who needs several hours writing an E-Mail because I am damn near constantly worrying about how to phrase everything?

You are the victim of psychological abuse by a, guessing, vulnerable covert narcissist. This sounds awful, speaking from own experiences. Sometimes it needs a very strong, very traumatic catalyst to „free“ oneself (or rather start the path towards freedom) of this abuse. Let C19 and the whole situation be your catalyst. I hope you will be well. 

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55 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

If she makes you miserable anyway a bit of peace and quiet and exercise sounds exactly what you need. I'd also buy some booze, you sound like you deserve a drink. 

Oh booze. The one positive thing about this situation is that one can drink all day everyday without repercussions and I happen to be locked away in a once-family home where my father hoarded about ten-fifteen boxes of premium liquor. Thank god for that. 

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The best short-term thing we can get are reliable anti-body tests to see who already has been infected by Sars-CoV2. 
Studies are under way in quite a few countries. 
 

But here is the problem (currently): most of prototype tests so far a way too sensitive and show results also for the other harmless Corona Viruses. Those responsible for the common cold. Still a way to go. 
 

British users: please believe nothing or at least be very sceptical whatever your Primeminister Boris Johnson says. He is no dumb clown like Trump, he is smart, very smart, plays a role. I guess strong psychopathic tendencies. A person who makes blatant false propaganda like those bus posters „350 million Pounds better for the NHS than the EU“ should have no credibility left whatsoever. This was propaganda on the perfidy level of Goebbels. 

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4 minutes ago, Arakan said:

British users: please believe nothing or at least be very sceptical whatever your Primeminister Boris Johnson says. He is no dumb clown like Trump, he is smart, very smart, plays a role. I guess strong psychopathic tendencies. A person who makes blatant false propaganda like those bus posters „350 million Pounds better for the NHS than the EU“ should have no credibility left whatsoever. This was propaganda on the perfidy level of Goebbels. 

Sigh. Ok

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14 minutes ago, Arakan said:

t least be very sceptical whatever your Primeminister Boris Johnson says. He is no dumb clown like Trump, he is smart, very smart, plays a role. I guess strong psychopathic tendencies. A person who makes blatant false propaganda like those bus posters „350 million Pounds better for the NHS than the EU“ should have no credibility left whatsoever. This was propaganda on the perfidy level of Goebbels. 

You were doing ok until the last sentence. 

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16 minutes ago, Arakan said:

 
 

British users: please believe nothing or at least be very sceptical whatever your Primeminister Boris Johnson says...

This was propaganda on the perfidy level of Goebbels. 

I ain't British, don't know more about Boris than any other American who actually reads.

That being said. Thats a bold statement, playa. Goebbels was like an evil genius. A real one. We still do shit today that he came up with.

You know that whole Olympic torch lighting ceremony? Joseph Goebbels is the guy who lead the charge on that. To assist in the transition of cultural origination from Greece to Germany, a central part of Hitler's worldview.

We still do that. 

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20 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

You were doing ok until the last sentence. 

No, I stand by this. Such a blatant lie, so dumb. But what the Nazis knew, Boris also knows: the bigger the lie, the dumber and more obscene the lies, the more people will believe it. The greater the impact of the lie will be. Objective truth in this context is irrelevant. Tell a lie to get people outraged, if it sounds silly, who cares. It’s not about facts, it’s about emotional reactions. 
 

His buddy Donald knows this too. Mexican rapists etc. 

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To be fair, Johnson doesn’t have much credibility with at least half of the electorate.

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20 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I ain't British, don't know more about Boris than any other American who actually reads.

That being said. Thats a bold statement, playa. Goebbels was like an evil genius. A real one. We still do shit today that he came up with.

You know that whole Olympic torch lighting ceremony? Joseph Goebbels is the guy who lead the charge on that. To assist in the transition of cultural origination from Greece to Germany, a central part of Hitler's worldview.

We still do that. 

I know. A lot of Marketing techniques can be traced back to Goebbels. They are now standard repertoire. 

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So Boris has Covid-19? 
 

We all think of karma. I don’t wish death on him (not being British) but I hope he has a bit more than the sniffles.

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