mormont Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 [mod] OK, folks. Let's not wish death on people, it isn't classy. But also, let's not bicker about it. Drop the topic now. Thanks. [/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 The CMO for England Chris Whitty too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159177/Police-forces-accused-overzealousness-follow-dog-walkers.html Never been so ashamed in my life. What a complete disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen'ari Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159177/Police-forces-accused-overzealousness-follow-dog-walkers.html Never been so ashamed in my life. What a complete disgrace. Fucking hell, who let that guy in the Police?!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Jen'ari said: Fucking hell, who let that guy in the Police?!. Its who promoted him I have concerns about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 This bit of news escaped me but the 21 year old girl who was reported to have died a victim of Covid 19 probably didn’t die because of it. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/chloe-middleton-death-21-year-old-not-recorded-nhs-covid-19-related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Chaircat Meow said: The heir to the throne and the prime minister now … Feels like this is now very widespread. BoJo giving it to Prince Charles is the obvious vector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Heartofice said: This bit of news escaped me but the 21 year old girl who was reported to have died a victim of Covid 19 probably didn’t die because of it. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/chloe-middleton-death-21-year-old-not-recorded-nhs-covid-19-related Lol, now the Guardian is a useful news source to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 6 hours ago, DanteGabriel said: Lol, now the Guardian is a useful news source to you? I read the Guardian, just like I make sure to read a number of news resources from across the political aisle. It’s important to not get locked in your bubbles and only by jumping around can you spot where news isn’t being reported in a neutral way but there is a layer of activism added. The Guardian is a very well laid out website and less spammy than many others, and I go to it often for the news. It is also quite often more interested in changing the world than reporting on it. One of my friends has gone to work there now and her motivation was to ‘make a difference’ which highlights how people who work at the Guardian think of themselves. Lets not forget its opinion section is world famous for being meme worthy and almost beyond parody these days, where you could generate headlines which seem utterly ludicrous but you couldn’t tell the difference between made up ones and the real thing. Its fine to read it, but like all news it’s good to spot the things it’s focussing on, and the things it’s ignoring and not telling you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Heartofice said: I read the Guardian, just like I make sure to read a number of news resources from across the political aisle. It’s important to not get locked in your bubbles and only by jumping around can you spot where news isn’t being reported in a neutral way but there is a layer of activism added. The Guardian is a very well laid out website and less spammy than many others, and I go to it often for the news. It is also quite often more interested in changing the world than reporting on it. One of my friends has gone to work there now and her motivation was to ‘make a difference’ which highlights how people who work at the Guardian think of themselves. Lets not forget its opinion section is world famous for being meme worthy and almost beyond parody these days, where you could generate headlines which seem utterly ludicrous but you couldn’t tell the difference between made up ones and the real thing. Its fine to read it, but like all news it’s good to spot the things it’s focussing on, and the things it’s ignoring and not telling you Um, isn't that why everyone who becomes a journalist does so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, ants said: Um, isn't that why everyone who becomes a journalist does so? She’s not a journalist, just works for the organisation. But no, I suspect some people might just like writing or telling stories. Not being able to differentiate between reporting facts and activism is real problem in journalism right now, on all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 that's because the notion of 'objective' journalism is a recent invention--and it is thoroughly a matter of false consciousness. descriptive statements are always already founded on normative evaluations in way that minces up ayer's logical positivism; editorial decisions are similarly always taken in selecting what gets reported and in how it is framed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Heartofice said: But no, I suspect some people might just like writing or telling stories. Not being able to differentiate between reporting facts and activism is real problem in journalism right now, on all sides. As someone having studied under actual experts and having dabbled in that kind of shit, I can tell you that reporting "facts" can be a far worse problem than "telling stories." Facts make sense when connected to one another within a given context and hardly do without a coherent narrative to analyse them. Focusing on "facts" alone, supposedly because it is more "objective," is actually an excellent way to hide what is happening. In this respect, I personally think daily news focusing on "facts" easily devolve into useless sensationalism while monthly papers offering analyses can be "journalism" worthy of the name. A different way to put it is that your vision of "journalism" is far more biased than you seem to realize. Though given your comments about The Guardian and your reference to memes I would assume that you are yourself part of a very specific political movement, whether you are aware of it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 @Rippounet Thanks for the post, duly noted. 59 minutes ago, Rippounet said: A different way to put it is that your vision of "journalism" is far more biased than you seem to realize. Though given your comments about The Guardian and your reference to memes I would assume that you are yourself part of a very specific political movement, whether you are aware of it or not. I am however pretty aware of my biases, they become more exaggerated on here often in response to people I consider to have quite extreme viewpoints, but that is the nature of the internet. Having a quick easy stab at the Guardian around here is easy enough because I'm sure there are many on this board who would read Guardian opinion pieces and feel energised and chin strokingly happy. Me, I find them to be 9/10 times the mad ravings of an angry child. We all need to be aware of the biases in the stuff we read. I rage at the Guardian so much because I would have thought it was obvious to any idiot that the Daily Mail or the Torygraph have obvious agendas and spout rubbish most of the time. But I think it's less obvious to your average younger person that the Guardian has an agenda , probably because if you agree with that agenda you don't see it as a problem. That my friend joined them because she saw it as a way to make a positive political change in the country is very telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Heartofice said: Having a quick easy stab at the Guardian around here is easy enough because I'm sure there are many on this board who would read Guardian opinion pieces and feel energised and chin strokingly happy. Me, I find them to be 9/10 times the mad ravings of an angry child. Sounds like you're trying to troll then. You also speak like a Delingpole fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Rippounet said: Sounds like you're trying to troll then. You also speak like a Delingpole fan. Delingpole is a moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I read the Guardian online because I like their way of reporting. Much better than what we get around here. If at all, I feel they are too conservative in many points, which should tell you something... Anyway, I'm shocked to agree with HoI to some extend. Their opinion pieces are often very outlandish and it feels as if the columnists are living on a different planet. There is very often a lot of wishful thinking involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 5:46 AM, BigFatCoward said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159177/Police-forces-accused-overzealousness-follow-dog-walkers.html Never been so ashamed in my life. What a complete disgrace. It's the Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Marquis de Leech said: It's the Daily Mail. It still happened though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Big Dom has got it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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