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I doubt this will happen, but obviously there’s still good reasons to wash your hands and be cautious of spreading viruses. People still die of the flu each year. I wonder if we’d ever manage to eliminate the humble handshake? A handshake means what society has deemed it to mean, it’s not like you meet someone and think ‘wow I’d sure like to know how your palm feels right now’. So in theory, any other gesture works just as well. I like the ‘put your hand on your heart and slightly bow you head’ as a non contact greeting. Also, I’m still never sure if I’m supposed to shake women’s hands, it feels a little odd. Be good to start a fresh with a gender neutral version.

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13 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

I doubt this will happen, but obviously there’s still good reasons to wash your hands and be cautious of spreading viruses. People still die of the flu each year. I wonder if we’d ever manage to eliminate the humble handshake? A handshake means what society has deemed it to mean, it’s not like you meet someone and think ‘wow I’d sure like to know how your palm feels right now’. So in theory, any other gesture works just as well. I like the ‘put your hand on your heart and slightly bow you head’ as a non contact greeting. Also, I’m still never sure if I’m supposed to shake women’s hands, it feels a little odd. Be good to start a fresh with a gender neutral version.

A gentleman accepts a lady's hand, he does not offer his own.

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33 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

:lmao:

What!?!

All kinds of people are being over panicked and, quite frankly, stupid about this situation. But this is by far the fucking weirdest take I've seen.

People are going to make their own soap? Get the fuck out of my country. Make my own soap! I'll personally drown every person in this hemisphere with a cough in soap before I curl a finger to manufacture it.

All of this said with the greatest affection, of course. I bear you no ill will. But... WOW!

There were a lot of DIY home improvements done by homeowners back in the 2008 recession, I had lots of work fixing stuff that people had tried to fix and fucked up for the next couple years.  Thanks, youtube.

That being said I have made my own laundry detergent several times to save $.

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4 minutes ago, larrytheimp said:

There were a lot of DIY home improvements done by homeowners back in the 2008 recession, I had lots of work fixing stuff that people had tried to fix and fucked up for the next couple years.  Thanks, youtube.

That being said I have made my own laundry detergent several times to save $.

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I’m seeing a lot of talk about “forgiveness of all loans” (year of Jubilee) or suspension of the ability to enforce loans for a 12 month time frame.  Does anyone believe that the businesses that make such loans can continue to do so where the outstanding loans don’t have to be repaid?

If credit freezes up because loans cannot be enforced do we shift to a worldwide “cash on the barrel” economy?  How long would such a shift take and how many people would be put out of work by such a shift?  Is such a shift even possible?

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18 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

I’m seeing a lot of talk about “forgiveness of all loans” (year of Jubilee) or suspension of the ability to enforce loans for a 12 month time frame.  Does anyone believe that the businesses that make such loans can continue to do so where the outstanding loans don’t have to be repaid?

If credit freezes up because loans cannot be enforced do we shift to a worldwide “cash on the barrel” economy?  How long would such a shift take and how many people would be put out of work by such a shift?  Is such a shift even possible?

See my DIY video on Pitch Forks: Basic Maintenance and Debt Reform.

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scot, likely modern debt relief jubilee would work like how the UK ended chattel slavery--purchase the assets and liberate them.  lenders could continue on with debtors who now have clean slates.  i suspect this is a better result for everyone than if all makers of notes in the next six months all go into default.  the loan servicers are already crying because the investors that own the notes on which the servicers collect want their ton of flesh.  they can all go bankrupt as far as i care--but that would mean that all the homeowners are bankrupt too and on the street.  who will buy the seized homes if everyone is fucked? 

i think y'all need to really rethink this capitalism-that-needs-bailed-out-by-the-public-every-ten-years thing.  it is manifestly not living up to the bourgeois textbook version--though of course it looks very familiar to the representation in the textbooks that i read.

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I’m sure there are going to be a lot of governments borrowing heavily to pay for all the things they are going to be paying for right now, not sure debt amnesty is going to happening any time soon

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I have no idea about the macro-level changes we'll see after all this is done, there's too many variables still. However, I do have a micro-level prediction that I feel pretty strongly about:

There's going to be a substantial increase in the popularity of facial hair.

Anecdotally, I've stopped shaving, most of my close male friends have stopped shaving, even my dad said he stopped shaving. And no one likes shaving in the first place. I think a lot of guys are going to decide they look alright with beards, and aren't going to start shaving again just because they can once again leave their homes.

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9 minutes ago, Fez said:

I have no idea about the macro-level changes we'll see after all this is done, there's too many variables still. However, I do have a micro-level prediction that I feel pretty strongly about:

There's going to be a substantial increase in the popularity of facial hair.

Anecdotally, I've stopped shaving, most of my close male friends have stopped shaving, even my dad said he stopped shaving. And no one likes shaving in the first place. I think a lot of guys are going to decide they look alright with beards, and aren't going to start shaving again just because they can once again leave their homes.

I’ve gone the exact opposite way on this. I have to be on video calls every day and so don’t want to look like a scruffy hobo all the time. 
 

This is going to get worse as there is no way for me to have my haircut ( not letting my Mrs do it) so by the end of this I might look like a less pale model wargaming enthusiast 

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18 hours ago, Fez said:

I have no idea about the macro-level changes we'll see after all this is done, there's too many variables still. However, I do have a micro-level prediction that I feel pretty strongly about:

There's going to be a substantial increase in the popularity of facial hair.

Anecdotally, I've stopped shaving, most of my close male friends have stopped shaving, even my dad said he stopped shaving. And no one likes shaving in the first place. I think a lot of guys are going to decide they look alright with beards, and aren't going to start shaving again just because they can once again leave their homes.

I'm in lockdown, and I'm still shaving. A combination of disliking the itchiness and not wanting to look like a Russian Orthodox Priest.

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For those of us with fairly uninspiring stubble, the opportunity to stop shaving without the social consequences is a small, patchy silver lining on a pretty large cloud.

Personally, it's now been 10 days since I last shaved. I look somewhat like a Russian Orthodox priest, and I quite miss shaving at this point (I actually like it a lot). I find myself looking in the mirror quite a lot, partly in surprise at my non-hairless face and partly just to pass the time. If when the lockdown is lifted, I've actually managed to grow something semi-respectable (or something that can be trimmed into something semi-respectable), I'll probably keep it for a few months just to see what it's like/show off. Have mercy on me, a shaver. 

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I have to shave 5 days a week still, and iron shirts (some of my female PC's just run their hair straighteners down the sleeves as your body armour creases/covers the rest anyway). 

 

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We will see a reshaping of the geo-political landscape. A lot of things are possible and it depends how the next three months are going. 
 

China presents itself as a true hyperpower and is gaining influence from Asia to Europe to Africa to Latin America. At the same time a Republican-led USA seems incapable. 
 

C19 truly is a epoch-defining landmark in history. Maybe on the same level as 28.06.1914. 

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27 minutes ago, Arakan said:

China presents itself as a true hyperpower and is gaining influence from Asia to Europe to Africa to Latin America. At the same time a Republican-led USA seems incapable. 

It's been doing that for a while. It has also been putting out a huge PR campaign to try and cover for the fact that it's mostly to blame for the virus getting out in the first place... I say PR, it's basically propaganda. 

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2 hours ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

I'm in lockdown, and I'm still shaving. A combination of disliking the itchiness and not wanting to look like a Russian Orthodox Priest.

Dunno about that. I'm aiming more for a Kenny Rogers circa 1975 look.

I did get a haircut right before everything started shutting down though. So I've got a while before that starts going wild.

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8 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

It's been doing that for a while. It has also been putting out a huge PR campaign to try and cover for the fact that it's mostly to blame for the virus getting out in the first place... I say PR, it's basically propaganda. 

Different aspects. PR? Yes. Real action? Yes. Chinese Equipment and Chinese doctors are on the ground. Be it Iran, the Balkans, Italy, Spain, Africa. You should deal with facts, not with your wishful thinking. China is from a geo-Strategic POV the biggest winner. The US under Republicans, especially Trump, loses on every front. But don’t listen to my word. Read „Foreign Affairs“. 
 

A hyperpower who seems incompetent, which Trump USA not only seems but is, is done. A hyperpower who cannot protect its own citizens even though it has the biggest economy in the world, is done. 
 

Just ask the Soviets. 

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