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On 3/28/2020 at 2:46 PM, mcbigski said:

 

All that aside Jace, it's illuminating to see you take sexual assault so not seriously when it's potentially your guy as the accused.  

 

You know what the difference between you and me is? 

I'm not scared. 

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Is this for real?

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The worker said his company emailed a form titled “Employee Acknowledgement of ‘Government Assistance’ Pay Reduction” to some staffers on Wednesday. “In response to the economic crisis that is affecting all of us due to the coronavirus pandemic…(company name redacted) are hereby enacting the Employee Emergency Compensation Fund,” the letter stated.

The agreement would put workers under a “temporary compensation reduction that is in line with the assistance that it receives from the federal government related to the COVID-19 pandemic.” By signing the agreement, the company’s employees would have their paychecks between April 6 and April 20 cut by 100% of any money received under the stimulus bill.

The company would also take half of the $500 stipend allotted for dependents under the bill.

It sounds too outrageous to be real, but given that there are many companies in the US, I suppose it's not impossible that at least one of them would have had this idea.

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39 minutes ago, Altherion said:

Is this for real?

It sounds too outrageous to be real, but given that there are many companies in the US, I suppose it's not impossible that at least one of them would have had this idea.

This should be a crime

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On 3/28/2020 at 6:04 PM, ThinkerX said:

I hope this is for real, but the some of the same bullshit sensors that started going off with Theranos are sounding again. I don't think even Polymerase Chain Reaction is that fast, and that's probably the quickest method I know of for rapid identification of virus and and other microbio organisms. A tech article about it explictly says it doesn't use PCR, and a quick look at their website is turning up very little hard technical information about the method of testing or other technical reference documents, or really anything about how the testing works and what the method is.

I hope this isn't bullshit and taking advantage of an emergency to rush a product to market and profit from it. Especially since this same company got in trouble in 2012 by doing illegal drug marketing with Depakote.

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7 hours ago, Paladin of Ice said:

I hope this is for real, but the some of the same bullshit sensors that started going off with Theranos are sounding again. I don't think even Polymerase Chain Reaction is that fast, and that's probably the quickest method I know of for rapid identification of virus and and other microbio organisms. A tech article about it explictly says it doesn't use PCR, and a quick look at their website is turning up very little hard technical information about the method of testing or other technical reference documents, or really anything about how the testing works and what the method is.

I hope this isn't bullshit and taking advantage of an emergency to rush a product to market and profit from it. Especially since this same company got in trouble in 2012 by doing illegal drug marketing with Depakote.

It's real.  The technology is called isothermal amplification (of which there are quite a few different methods), and was developed by Alere, which was acquired by Abbott, a reputable medical device and pharma company.  The method still amplifies DNA, but it doesn't require the thermal cycling steps which take a lot of time.  Abbott uses a nicking enzyme amplification reaction that creates a nick in the DNA and uses a strand displacing polymerase to amplify the target sequence.  See this presentation from Alere about its technology.

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So, for anyone hoping this will be over sooner rather than later, you you might want to check some of the Christians out there.

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Church services in Florida and Louisiana drew hundreds of worshipers despite bans on public gatherings amid the coronavirus pandemic.

About 500 people attended Sunday services in the Life Tabernacle church near Baton Rouge a day after New Orleans police officers dispersed a “funeral repast” of approximately 100 people, The Associated Press reported. Worshippers and assistant ministers told reporters present at the service to leave, the AP noted.

Meanwhile, a livestream from The River at Tampa Bay Church indicated the Florida church’s Sunday service was also teeming with worshippers.

Can't let things like a deadly viral pandemic get in the way of fleecing people out of their money, natch.

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43 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said:

So, for anyone hoping this will be over sooner rather than later, you you might want to check some of the Christians out there.

Can't let things like a deadly viral pandemic get in the way of fleecing people out of their money, natch.

One should point out that this is not typical even of very conservative churches. I just checked and at this point both Thomas Road Baptist in Lynchburg, Virginia (Jerry Falwell's church) and Lakewood Church in Houston (Joel Osteen's church) are only having online services. 

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1 minute ago, Ormond said:

One should point out that this is not typical even of very conservative churches. I just checked and at this point both Thomas Road Baptist in Lynchburg, Virginia (Jerry Falwell's church) and Lakewood Church in Houston (Joel Osteen's church) are only having online services. 

True. I should add that wasn't a shot at Christians generally, but just the groups like this.

However, I will say that while Thomas Road Baptist may be holding online services, Liberty University is very much open for business (NYT - limited clicks).

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So Mr. Falwell — a staunch ally of President Trump and an influential voice in the evangelical world — reopened the university last week, igniting a firestorm. As of Friday, Dr. Eppes said, nearly a dozen Liberty students were sick with symptoms that suggested Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus. Three were referred to local hospital centers for testing. An additional eight were told to self-isolate.

 

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13 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said:

True. I should add that wasn't a shot at Christians generally, but just the groups like this.

However, I will say that while Thomas Road Baptist may be holding online services, Liberty University is very much open for business (NYT - limited clicks).

 

Yeah, Jerry Jr. (who heads the university) is way more crazy and evil than his little brother Jonathan, who now heads Thomas Road. 

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I was going to respond about Falwell Jr. but @The Great Unwashed beat me to it.  Looking into the story though, here's Liberty University's response to the NYT article.  It's pretty lengthy, but the below graph was particularly amusing to me:

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Liberty disputes the number of students with symptoms that the Times reported. Liberty is not aware of any students in its residence halls testing positive for COVID-19 or, in fact, being tested at all, much less any residence hall students having sufficient symptoms of COVID-19 to get tested.

Emphasis mine.  To the bolded, so, within your justification for resuming courses and therefore threatening your students' lives, you admit you have no idea how many may be infected.  Nice.  Falwell Sr. memorably died on my 22nd birthday.  I'm already going to hell, but I was very happy that day and celebrated my birthday much more emphatically than usual.  I had no idea his eldest would continue to perpetuate the social harm he inflicted on this country.

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Looks like Trump's approval rating wont keep going up and appears to have plateaued. Interestingly, Rassmussen isnt showing net positives for him (and YouGov was taking constant polls that appears to have driven the 538 average the most). I imagine it will revert back to the 43% level soon.

Democrats have a generic 7.5 point lead in Congress and the Senate outlook is promising, so I think it wont be a runaway for the Republicans, at the very least,

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1 minute ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Democrats have a generic 7.5 point lead in Congress and the Senate outlook is promising

Yeah I meant to mention this over the weekend but forgot.  The generic ballot margin has actually been increasing for the Dems over the past month or two - hell, while it's a couple weeks behind, the RCP average is currently at Dem +8.2.  That's, I think, even higher than it was in 2018.  The idea Trump and the GOP are going to electorally run roughshod by activating fear and panic is, well, based on little to nothing but fear and panic.

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Still, it’s fair to worry how the elections will even work…..

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54 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Still, it’s fair to worry how the elections will even work…..

Definitely my biggest worry.

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20 minutes ago, Mexal said:

Definitely my biggest worry.

Eh. Remember that in the absolute worst case Trump, Pence and his entire cabinet will be out on January 20th. And all of the House will be out on Jan 4th. 

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Ideally we would approach something resembling normalcy around late summer, and by the time the election date rolls around we would have a functioning apparatus. At which point this high that Trump is enjoying for some unfathomable reason will have dissipated away and everyone will be left with the aftermath of the economic carnage that just happened.

One thing this pandemic should have made clear is that an extended primary season is needless, costly and a waste of everyone's time. As is an extended election season. The entire campaign should last from March till November.

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Yeah I don't think there's any need to worry about canceled elections in November right now.  It's entirely possible that may be necessary, of course, but no one knows that at this point, and considering all the other psychological hurdles this puts on individuals I don't think adding "will we even have an elected government come January?!?" is a concern the average American should be addressing right now.  I do agree that one silver lining of all this in terms of the presidential cycle is maybe we'll recognize the ridiculous length it's gotten to and try to shorten it.

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4 minutes ago, DMC said:

Yeah I don't think there's any need to worry about canceled elections in November right now.  It's entirely possible that may be necessary, of course, but no one knows that at this point, and considering all the other psychological hurdles this puts on individuals I don't think adding "will we even have an elected government come January?!?" is a concern the average American should be addressing right now.  I do agree that one silver lining of all this in terms of the presidential cycle is maybe we'll recognize the ridiculous length it's gotten to and try to shorten it.

Not worried about them being cancelled, just worried how they'll work and what the effects of the virus will be on them. 

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Nothing stops the capitalist drive to acquire acquire acquire and use the government (big government they tell us is evil) to do so.  How more historically pure American can you get than stealing even more Native American land? (Additionally, at this very minute they're continuing to assiduously to dismantle 'obama care' too.)

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/29/cruel-trump-admin-moves-take-land-mashpee-tribe-whose-casino-plans-irked-presidents

"Cruel:" Trump Admin. Moves to Take Land of Mashpee Tribe—Whose Casino Plans Irked President's "Special Interest Friends"—Out of Trust

The tribal chairman said the announcement came "on the very day that the United States has reached a record 100,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus.".

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... Cromwell said the Bureau of Indian Affairs informed him of the order from Interior Secretary David Bernhardt.

"The secretary is under no court order to take our land out of trust," Cromwell said in his statement. "He is fully aware that litigation to uphold our status as a tribe eligible for the benefits of the Indian Reorganization Act is ongoing."

"It begs the question, what is driving our federal trustee's crusade against our reservation?" he added.

Rep. Bill Keating (D-Mass.), who last year introduced legislation to protect the tribe's reservation as trust land in Massachusetts, called the order "one of the most cruel and nonsensical acts I have seen since coming to Congress."

The legislation has stalled in the Senate, the congressman said, since "President Donald Trump tweeted his opposition in an attempt to assist his lobbyist and special interest friends."....

 

 

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20 minutes ago, DMC said:

Yeah I don't think there's any need to worry about canceled elections in November right now.  It's entirely possible that may be necessary, of course, but no one knows that at this point, and considering all the other psychological hurdles this puts on individuals I don't think adding "will we even have an elected government come January?!?" is a concern the average American should be addressing right now.  I do agree that one silver lining of all this in terms of the presidential cycle is maybe we'll recognize the ridiculous length it's gotten to and try to shorten it.

US elections were held according to regular schedule during War of 1812, US Civil War, Spanish Flu epidemic and WWII. Any talk of delaying or cancelling elections must be squashed - the harm that it would do would be far greater than any potential deaths caused by people spending time at the polling places.

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