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5 hours ago, Rippounet said:

Holy shit, I was talking with yet another doctor today (a friend of mine) and he said to absolutely avoid anxiolytics if you're experiencing respiratory problems (they may slow down your breathing and can thus worsen the problem). Paradoxically, these are only a good idea once you're in the clear from Covid-19 itself, which is why my doctor prescribed them to me.
@Zorral This (among other things) is why I wasn't too sure about using my experience... unless you're a doctor yourself it's impossible to know what should or shouldn't be done. Rule of thumb is to double-check everything you hear.

 

Thank you. I don't think anyone I know well enough to have sent this takes them.

Unless -- is medical cbd with a touch of THC an anxiolytic? I use it for chronic back pain due to damaged vertebrae.  It doesn't get me high at all, nor do I want it to.

As for the bread baking, people are stress and home baking for many reasons and doing it madly.  Including one of our oldest closest friends and colleagues, who lives across the street.  He is keeping us supplied with his home made corn bread (we give him other stuff, including rum -- it's so wonderful he's here and so close, even if we can't really talk but only do brief exchange hand-offs from a distance -- he at least bikes for hours after 10 PM)  -- which doesn't take yeast. But he makes other bread as well for his partner, who doesn't live with him, and himself.

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A few observations from the dog walk:

1. Way more people are outside during work hours than when I normally walk her in the evening.

2. There's no perfect way to describe this, so I'll keep it simple, the dogs seem sad that they can't interact. Many were howling to one another as their humans practiced social distancing. 

3. Everyone is listening to something, thus further distancing themselves. There are a lot more quick pleasant greetings though. I hope one day the finger gun will be the universally accepted  standard. One gun means "hey, I see you, and wish you well" and two means"Sup buddy." A man can dream. 

And on that note, while holding the leash with the right hand, because of the increased greetings, I've come to realize that my lazy left hand wave kind of looks like Hitler's response to saluting Nazis. Will have to be conscious and work on that. 

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15 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

WTF, how have France just had 1355 deaths with such low numbers of cases relatively? Are they doing something drastically different today I.e. recording in bulk, deaths that happened outside of hospitals in one day? 

The Worldometers site has a banner with this explanation:
 

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France today reported 884 additional deaths that have occurred in nursing homes over the past days and weeks [source]. The French Government did not include these deaths in their official count, as their count only takes into consideration deaths of hospitalized patients. Following international standards of correct inclusion, our statistics will include these deaths, and will add them to the April 2, 2020 count following the attribution criteria of date of report.

If and when the French government determines and communicates the correct distribution of these additional deaths over time, we will adjust the historical data accordingly. A similar issue took place on February 12, when China reported an additional 13,332 new cases in a single day due to a change in how cases were diagnosed and reported in Hubei.

 

On a similar note I was wondering why Scotland reported fifty deaths today when the previous largest rise was sixteen. Apparently only ten of those fifty were for yesterday, the other forty were spread across the previous week and hadn't been reported at the time for reasons that I'm still a bit unclear on.

I think in general there are so many inconsistencies that it's risky to draw conclusions from looking at the daily death totals.

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58 minutes ago, williamjm said:

The Worldometers site has a banner with this explanation:
 

On a similar note I was wondering why Scotland reported fifty deaths today when the previous largest rise was sixty. Apparently only ten of those fifty were for yesterday, the other forty were spread across the previous week and hadn't been reported at the time for reasons that I'm still a bit unclear on.

I think in general there are so many inconsistencies that it's risky to draw conclusions from looking at the daily death totals.

Agreed, but it’s still the best data we have. Daily new cases is even more flawed given testing limitations and inconsistencies.

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

A few observations from the dog walk:

1. Way more people are outside during work hours than when I normally walk her in the evening.

2. There's no perfect way to describe this, so I'll keep it simple, the dogs seem sad that they can't interact. Many were howling to one another as their humans practiced social distancing. 

3. Everyone is listening to something, thus further distancing themselves. There are a lot more quick pleasant greetings though. I hope one day the finger gun will be the universally accepted  standard. One gun means "hey, I see you, and wish you well" and two means"Sup buddy." A man can dream. 

And on that note, while holding the leash with the right hand, because of the increased greetings, I've come to realize that my lazy left hand wave kind of looks like Hitler's response to saluting Nazis. Will have to be conscious and work on that. 

I will join you in the finger gun greeting, together we can spread this across Minnesota.

Also, Unemployment might be worth checking out, as it was specifically calling out a reduction in hours not necessarily just losing your position because of Covid-19.

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4 hours ago, Triskele said:

Why is COVID hitting younger people in the America South harder?  Possibly policy-driven underlying health conditions according to this piece (Atlantic's free COVID section).  

I've heard that obesity is a pre-existing condition with strong negative effect, and I know the South tends to have a higher obesity rate, so that could be it. Also it seems that the South has been a bit slower to implement some of the more stringent recommendations against the spread.

But now to read the article and learn I'm all wrong. :P

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2 minutes ago, Starkess said:

I've heard that obesity is a pre-existing condition with strong negative effect, and I know the South tends to have a higher obesity rate, so that could be it. Also it seems that the South has been a bit slower to implement some of the more stringent recommendations against the spread.

But now to read the article and learn I'm all wrong. :P

What kind of fiend posts about an article before reading it?  You are the first sinner in the history of the internet in this respect.  

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58 minutes ago, Guy Kilmore said:

I will join you in the finger gun greeting, together we can spread this across Minnesota

I have a dream!
 

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Also, Unemployment might be worth checking out, as it was specifically calling out a reduction in hours not necessarily just losing your position because of Covid-19.

I raised this in the meeting, and management was uninformed. Like I've said before, the madre co-owns co-owned and runs ran* a medium sized business, and together we've been looking at options for her and her I guess sorta former employees. After I brought it up in the meeting, many of those also going onto this new cycle asked me more about it. Tomorrow I'm going to get all their home emails and update them as best as I can. I'm not sure how it will work given we have fixed hours, but if I can get even a few hundred bucks in their pocket every couple of weeks, it will be a victory. I'm also going to try and provide them with options to mitigate a 25% loss in pay. The most obvious answer is food delivery services if they're willing to do it. I also spent some time explaining some things they will face when having to be part time teachers with the kids. I taught 5th and 7th graders part time for a year and was a camp counselor for a few years when I was a kid. Some lessons were learned and I've found over the years they have been helpful to some parents. 

*On a sad note, it sounds like her business partner is going to die in the next few days. It's not COVID-19 related, his health was already in doubt for some time and I think the shock of losing his business of over 40 years just made him decide it was time to sleep for good. He was a miserable bastard, but he was fair. And he would have taken care of my mom. He basically bought the home her and I moved into when I was 10 after my parents divorced so he could keep her as a partner. I doubt his son will do right by anyone but himself. 

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10 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Is it not people who have rang your health service to report symptoms or contact with someone infected and then been told they must quarantine?

That is a possibility. I do wonder however, what’s the point of publishing this piece of information without any context. Because this can either mean that there are ten thousand citizens who are hypochondriac or have the regular flu and this and that portion of them (give me a statistic estimate) might be going through a mild coronavirus infection. Or it can mean that we have eleven thousand infected people but we only confirmed 600. I don’t know.

The bigger issue is that our death count increases at a higher a speed than our recovered count. 

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9 hours ago, williamjm said:

The Worldometers site has a banner with this explanation:
 

On a similar note I was wondering why Scotland reported fifty deaths today when the previous largest rise was sixty. Apparently only ten of those fifty were for yesterday, the other forty were spread across the previous week and hadn't been reported at the time for reasons that I'm still a bit unclear on.

I think in general there are so many inconsistencies that it's risky to draw conclusions from looking at the daily death totals.

Thank you on the France info - a much more useful stat, and just bad for their "numbers" that they have to have a day playing catch-up.

 

Quite honestly, the figures I want to see are total recorded deaths; alongside a figure for total recorded deaths for the same day of the year (averaged over previous 3 or 5). People aren't just dying from Covid, there also dying from strokes where there's no ICU bed for them etc etc. These are still deaths related to COVID, and are IMPORTANT!

That ICU bed may have saved 1 COVID life, but it may also have cost 2-3 lives from people who'd "normally" be expected to use it.
ETA: Actually, you probably want to look at a rolling 3-day (or 5) total, rather than daily as well, to iron out the inconsistencies.

 

10 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

A few observations from the dog walk:

2. There's no perfect way to describe this, so I'll keep it simple, the dogs seem sad that they can't interact. Many were howling to one another as their humans practiced social distancing.

Personally, I'm still happy enough to let my dog socialise with other dogs - but I judge it on the human's reactions (as ever). It's a very personal decision though - I sanitise my hands after, if I've made a fuss of t'other dog - mobile surface)

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Singapore is closing schools and starting to do more of a shutdown. As one of the more efficient and competent Asian governments out there, that's probably not a good sign.

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45 minutes ago, Which Tyler said:

Thank you on the France info - a much more useful stat, and just bad for their "numbers" that they have to have a day playing catch-up.

 

Quite honestly, the figures I want to see are total recorded deaths; alongside a figure for total recorded deaths for the same day of the year (averaged over previous 3 or 5). People aren't just dying from Covid, there also dying from strokes where there's no ICU bed for them etc etc. These are still deaths related to COVID, and are IMPORTANT!

That ICU bed may have saved 1 COVID life, but it may also have cost 2-3 lives from people who'd "normally" be expected to use it.
ETA: Actually, you probably want to look at a rolling 3-day (or 5) total, rather than daily as well, to iron out the inconsistencies.

 

Personally, I'm still happy enough to let my dog socialise with other dogs - but I judge it on the human's reactions (as ever). It's a very personal decision though - I sanitise my hands after, if I've made a fuss of t'other dog - mobile surface)

I saw some research (can't find it), that a significant number of people dying would have died this year anyway, they are just dying in a big group right now.  

 

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1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said:

I saw some research (can't find it), that a significant number of people dying would have died this year anyway, they are just dying in a big group right now.  

 

When I see the number of people in their 70s and 80s dying, I suspect that many of them could have had a relatively happy additional 5 or 10 years, or more, not that they probably would have died this year anyway.

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1 hour ago, Which Tyler said:

Personally, I'm still happy enough to let my dog socialise with other dogs - but I judge it on the human's reactions (as ever). It's a very personal decision though - I sanitise my hands after, if I've made a fuss of t'other dog - mobile surface)

I let Bailey interact with other dogs if their human is fine with it, but they're always quick. More what I was seeing is walking around a huge open public athletic area and dogs were barking to each other from different soccer fields and baseball diamonds because I'm assuming they wanted to play. 

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16 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

When I see the number of people in their 70s and 80s dying, I suspect that many of them could have had a relatively happy additional 5 or 10 years, or more, not that they probably would have died this year anyway.

a lot of people dying in Poland are quite young - in their fifties and sixties, early seventies.

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I just watched part of an interview with a couple who just recently had triplets.

Both of the CNN hosts, as it happens, have twins. One of them said he and his wife were very stressed when they had their twins, and the only thing that gave them heart palpitations was seeing a couple with a triple stroller. The only thing they could think of stressing them out more than having twins was having triplets.

I just can’t imagine the stress in that household! Fortunately the wife is a counselor who trains people on how to deal with stress.

Life goes on, right?

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More coronavirus feelings: 

- I feel an overwhelming amount of guilt

> about quitting my job because I thought I’m above working at 150% capacity for a quarter of my usual income to save a company that crashed in a week because the owners self serving financial strategy. I do think I made the right decision but the circumstances make me doubt myself and wonder if I should have stayed longer for the team or for the measly amount of money that’s still more than nothing. 

> about enjoying myself every time I lose myself in an activity, forget about the world and happen to feel light for a short while 

> about craving food all day and eating chocolate and biscuits because it means having to spend money on food and using up food and who knows if there will be food at all in a few months (my brain knows this is completely irrational and bonkers) 

> about any time spent not being active and productive or stressing about the situation (which is not helping anybody at all and I’m entitled to feel good or have leisure time in spite of what’s going on around the world because nobody will or can take care of my sanity if I don’t) 

> about sometimes feeling slightly annoyed at certain small parts of quarantine life and missing shallow and unimportant aspects of life before the virus  

- I do not sleep well at all and I miss the weightless, dreamless freedom of switching my brain off for the night at least 

- I appreciate the return of simplicity in my life and lack of judgement of people’s various ways of life 

- I feel scared of tomorrow and find it difficult to live in the moment 

- I feel grateful and fortunate that I get to spend this time in good circumstances 

- I feel frustrated with myself that I am not smart enough to understand the “science” of the epidemic (in terms of biology, economics, social impact, statistics, etc) as well as with the media and the state issued information that doesn’t help my lack of knowledge and understanding 

- I also feel weirdly glad that I have a chance and the time to engage in projects and activities I could otherwise not incorporate into my everyday life (such as a makeover if not a full renovation of my mother’s house, dog training, etc) 

- I constantly feel like I’m not doing enough (for myself, for my family, for the world) although this is a pre-existing feeling that was enhanced, rather than brought about by the virus situation

- I feel helpless and indecisive about making long term changes and arrangements in my life to adjust to new way of life 

- which is because I’m still unable to let go of the illusion that we will be over this one-two months rather than 6-12-18 and come to terms with the reality which is largely down to not having a solid understanding of the reality (see the frustration above) 

well I exhausted and bored even myself going through all this, so I will shut up and have a glass of water.

 

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46 minutes ago, RhaenysBee said:

 

@RhaenysBee don't worry all these feelings are normal. You are adapring to a new situation.

Don't feel guilty for staying in your own world and feeling good or bad for what you are doing...it's normal we consume the news and we become stressed and we also engage in entertaining activities bc it's needed.

Also no one knows exactly how this virus work so it's in no way a matter of a lack of understanding from your perspective. Experts of different countries have different theories and everyhting is on the table right now.

I'm also feeling lots of things these days.

Take care! :)

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1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said:

I just watched part of an interview with a couple who just recently had triplets.

Both of the CNN hosts, as it happens, have twins. One of them said he and his wife were very stressed when they had their twins, and the only thing that gave them heart palpitations was seeing a couple with a triple stroller. The only thing they could think of stressing them out more than having twins was having triplets.

I just can’t imagine the stress in that household! Fortunately the wife is a counselor who trains people on how to deal with stress.

Life goes on, right?

There is a girl near me with triplets, the pram is so fucking long, i don't know how she does anything other than walk in a straight line. 

I always wanted twins (get it over and done with) but having had a non sleeping child for 2 years I can't think of anything worse.  

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