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5 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said:

Why stop at reduceing a risk if you can eliminate it?

Even countries with "good" practices often have problems with things like salmonella or mad cow disease. All of those things could be as good as eliminated instead of just reduced. 

Because people wanna eat animal products? 
 

Most of those diseases happened  exactly because those countries didn’t have good practices.

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New diseases we get from animals are almost always from wild animals not farm animals. so there is no reason to start a discussion if a vegetarian lifestyle would be better. It is also scientifically clear that a market with dead and alive animals (some of them exotic) is dangerous. these markets not only exists in China but also in Afrika for example, and are a breeding ground for new diseases. I do not blame the Chinese for SARS (they couldnt know), and also not for Covid-19 (SARS could have been a very unlikely 1 in a million evolutionary event), but now that we have it (and know this is a not-so -unlikely-event) I think they are responsible (as we all are) to do everything possible that this is not repeated.

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4 hours ago, RhaenysBee said:

Oh dear... no lockdown here, but we have been in self isolation at my mother’s house for 3 weeks too. I haven’t been anywhere aside from my flat in the city, but that involved zero contact as I just got in and out of and back in the car. We are going back today again and staying there for a few days (again, zero contact involved). 

I really understand the struggle, my mother teaches and my sister studies at a university, from what they both tell me, it’s  a lot of struggle and frustration on both ends. Do you see when the situation at your uni might improve? In terms of the uni job or the completion of your course, I mean. Would you be graduating  this semester? 

You and your family are doing extremely well isolating! Please, continue this way!

Oh I'm suprised they are not doing a national lockdown, maybe bc there are less cases? We didn't have it till some thousands, aroound the 4000 thousands IIRC

Indeed, it seems it's working, these last days we had peaks of cases, almost a thousand, now we just have seen a minimum, so we might be on the "valley" of the peak.

As for my uni... well, at first if was for two weeks but we already know it would be more. Problem is that I have 8 subjects and a couple of them I just wanted to go to the final exam; otherwise I would not have signed up for so many...

also following a Master of Engineering for me it's not easy online. I see that some professors are recording classes (we can watch videos with the slides and their voice); with this I'm quite content; but  in others we are doing less applied problems (real classes have been reduced to 10% as videoconferences), and we are asked to do a lot of self-work on our own, which is quite stressful. Some of this work is not easy and you accumulate questions, etc. Problems in groups are not easy either, you lose a lot of feedback without face-to-face interaction, and you are also asked to work in groups, resulting in endless skype videoconferences...

We received a mail from the dean saying the rest of the course Will be online, except for, maybe, the final exams, which would take place late June or even July instead of June. I guess we Will not have the week of july in which we had extraordinary exams, then.

We should have had midterm exams last week and they were moved to what it's now the last week of lockdown. I guess they Will be online in some sort of test. No idea how problema-olving activities Will be held, because time is gold and you lose a lot of time uploading things via photos or whatever….I fear they willl just ask for final numbers, which is not a Good idea..

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Also sympathize with the anxiety of following the news. I try to limit myself and  consume much less of the media coverage of the topic than I did in week zero, or week one. It’s difficult to tell what’s true and what isn’t with all the contradicting information. Stay strong and take care! And please don’t hesitate to PM me if you ever need to talk or just fancy a chat about something unrelated to coronavirus!

 

 

We have... 700+ infected, we seem to have a steady average 50-case increase these days. That’s not too bad I suppose but it’s also a guarantee that we’ll be stuck in quarantine till the end of the year. In more positive news, a nice lady in our street brought us reusable masks. It’s such a thoughtful gesture. And it makes the never ending quarantine life a bit more environmentally friendly. 

 

You are doing really well consuming less media. I did the same, and I could not stand it anymore. And yes, lots f contradictory information, even for different authorities. It's healthy to try to watch movies, and any sort of entertainment from channels that don't talk about the topic, this has helped me.

Thanks, I probably Will! Same for you ;) quarantine is not easy

I don't think you'll have quarantine till the end of the year, maybe your government Will decide on doing a big one, but then there Will certainly be a deescalation of the process, gradually.

The MP of Spain told us that the State of Alarm Will still continue after the 26th but things Will be more normal gradually. I have read a document on how Andorra Will do it, and I think we Will follow a similar pattern. I don't know if it Will involve a month two, three, four,....but we Will need to test thousands of people, be aware, and leisure activities like cinemas, gyms, big restarants, clubs.....I don't know when these Will open again.

Here, one og the imported things from other countries that I like the most is the applauses every day we have at 8pm to the sanitary professionals, as well as songs that became "anthems":
 

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ok, not the best video...I might send you one of mines....but you get the idea :) I could not find anything better

 

A song from 30 years ago calledResistiré (I Will resist) has become like an anthem, -although the song, I must say is as resilient in its message as is depressing in its lyrics.:closedeyes:

but the Melody is really, really, cool…..

new version with transferred rights to other artists to raise funds for covid: paraphrasing some lines:

When dream loses all its magic, When I lose all the games, When I dream with loneliness, When nostalgy stabs me, when my dreams break in pieces, when exists get closed in front of me..... I Will resist, I 'll become iron to strenghten the skin....I Will never surrender...

old one

We also have this Catalan song from former 2019 Eurovision Spanish Singer that in Catalonia has become some sort of it...

"We'll write that not everything was easy, we'll sing our life in a paper, we'll leave with gifted days, and the smile of those who can not longer be with us"

He wrote it last year. It's about his stay on the academy where he went to learn singing- and from there he was elected to go to Eurovision, but he says it can be applied to anything, friendships, romantic, etc.

Of course, to this situation.

 

 

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3 hours ago, rotting sea cow said:

People often think that China is an all-knowing totalitarian state. This is far from the truth, otherwise crime wouldn't exist there.

If live animal commerce is forbidden, nothing guarantees that illegal markets won't flourish, maybe in worse conditions and a similar scenario could have happened anyway.

One can have a totalitarian state and a vast network of crime. They often go hand in hand. 

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16 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

One can have a totalitarian state and a vast network of crime. They often go hand in hand. 

Of course, but it does mean that it's not all knowing. Or it is corrupt. And we all know that in reality it's both.

And I never said it didn't start it China, it clearly did. I said that isn't a reason to damn the Chinese people and hold blame against them while ignoring the failures of our own governments. That's not at you Tywin.

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3 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Of course, but it does mean that it's not all knowing. Or it is corrupt. And we all know that in reality it's both.

And I never said it didn't start it China, it clearly did. I said that isn't a reason to damn the Chinese people and hold blame against them while ignoring the failures of our own governments. That's not at you Tywin.

Well Jesus, why did you quote me then, lol? 

And it can be all knowing because it actively is dabbling in the crime and corruption. 

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6 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Well Jesus, why did you quote me then, lol? 

And it can be all knowing because it actively is dabbling in the crime and corruption. 

The first part was at you! I just meant the second part. I think the early fuck ups with recognition of the outbreak show it's not all knowing. Certainly is totalitarian and the failure in information gathering should not be taken as me saying positive things about them. They just aren't as effective as they'd like to be/like to to think they are.

None of my comments are meant to be taken as in favour of their government, just China as a nation and the Chinese as a people.

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So French experts are cautiously optimistic about the peak being close... We've been confined for three weeks now and the rate of admissions in ICU seems to be slowly going down.

We've had 7560 deaths and there are still at least 6000 people in ICU.

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31 minutes ago, karaddin said:

The first part was at you! I just meant the second part.

You meant to slander me!

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I think the early fuck ups with recognition of the outbreak show it's not all knowing. Certainly is totalitarian and the failure in information gathering should not be taken as me saying positive things about them. They just aren't as effective as they'd like to be/like to to think they are.

Totalitarianism is not about actually being all knowing. It's the appearance of it. That's how @Jace, Basilissa gets away with being snotty, from time to time. 

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None of my comments are meant to be taken as in favour of their government, just China as a nation and the Chinese as a people.

Don't lie, you wrote all of this in Mao cosplay. 

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27 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Totalitarianism is not about actually being all knowing. It's the appearance of it.

This is soooo 1980 dude. Today, if I can access your smartphone and/or computer I know pretty much everything I want to know about you, and probably a few things I don't want to. :P

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2 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

This is soooo 1980 dude. Today, if I can access your smartphone and/or computer I know pretty much everything I want to know about you, and probably a few things I don't want to. :P

I still subscribe to Playboy for a reason, even if it was dead before I knew what it was!!!! 

Checkmate! 

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On 4/2/2020 at 1:11 PM, BigFatCoward said:

in any race where drafting and team tactics are irrelevant i would always go with Thomas de Gendt. 

No, it was Greg van Avermaet... Knowing when to sprint is apparently still the most important to win the race. ;) Years favorite, and first win! Finally :D

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

One can have a totalitarian state and a vast network of crime. They often go hand in hand. 

No, not really.  Unless the network of crime is directly controlled by the state.  Organized crime outside of the state is antithetical to Arendt's (1954) totalitarianism.  For her, totalitarian regimes are wholly guided by overt terror enforced by a secret police and justified by an ideology.  "No group or institution in the country is left intact, not just because they have to 'co-ordinate' with the regime in power and outwardly support it - which of course is bad enough - but because in the long run they are literally not supposed to survive."

For Arendt, totalitarianism should be applied "sparingly and prudently" - she did not define Mussolini's Italy or the Soviets post-Stalin as totalitarian.  Friedrich & Brzezinski (1956) offer a more elastic classification of totalitarianism that I largely disagree with, but even their six defining characteristics of the term include a communications monopoly, a weapons monopoly, and a directed economy.  Organized (and certainly disorganized) crime operating outside the purview of the state is anathema to the totalitarian regime.  Totalitarianism means Bentham's Panopticon writ large.

Anyway, that academic discussion is all moot - China is not a totalitarian regime and hasn't been since at least Mao.  On the topic at hand, I whole-heartedly agree with @karaddin.  The outbreak could have happened anywhere, and there is absolutely no reason to stigmatize China unless you want to encourage the alarming increase in vile and violent racism directed toward the Chinese and those of Chinese descent that I have seen first-hand over the past six weeks or so.

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24 minutes ago, DMC said:

No, not really.  Unless the network of crime is directly controlled by the state.  Organized crime outside of the state is antithetical to Arendt's (1954) totalitarianism.  For her, totalitarian regimes are wholly guided by overt terror enforced by a secret police and justified by an ideology.  "No group or institution in the country is left intact, not just because they have to 'co-ordinate' with the regime in power and outwardly support it - which of course is bad enough - but because in the long run they are literally not supposed to survive."

For Arendt, totalitarianism should be applied "sparingly and prudently" - she did not define Mussolini's Italy or the Soviets post-Stalin as totalitarian.  Friedrich & Brzezinski (1956) offer a more elastic classification of totalitarianism that I largely disagree with, but even their six defining characteristics of the term include a communications monopoly, a weapons monopoly, and a directed economy.  Organized (and certainly disorganized) crime operating outside the purview of the state is anathema to the totalitarian regime.  Totalitarianism means Bentham's Panopticon writ large.

Anyway, that academic discussion is all moot - China is not a totalitarian regime and hasn't been since at least Mao.  On the topic at hand, I whole-heartedly agree with @karaddin.  The outbreak could have happened anywhere, and there is absolutely no reason to stigmatize China unless you want to encourage the alarming increase in vile and violent racism directed toward the Chinese and those of Chinese descent that I have seen first-hand over the past six weeks or so.

Why do you always have to take the fun out of things?

And besides, your point is moot because quite possibly the richest man in the world is both a head of state and an active member of organized crime. Which was my point. In these regimes, the head of state is often times no different than a crime mob boss.

But I do agree, the anti-Chinese, and really anti-Asian bigotry that is exploding is gross. 

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9 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

And besides, your point is moot because quite possibly the richest man in the world is both a head of state and an active member of organized crime. Which was my point. In these regimes, the head of state is often times no different than a crime mob boss.

My point is that you were misusing the term totalitarian, which you were.  To the bolded, who the hell are you talking about?  And of course in many if not most autocratic regimes the head of state behaves like a crime boss.  Hell, certain scholars have literally equated state making to organized crime.

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6 minutes ago, DMC said:

My point is that you were misusing the term totalitarian, which you were.  To the bolded, who the hell are you talking about?  And of course in many if not most autocratic regimes the head of state behaves like a crime boss.  Hell, certain scholars have literally equated state making to organized crime.

I would assume Putin, who some people estimated last year had a net worth somewhere between $70 billion and $200 billion; far, far higher than his official financial disclosures.

However, as a practical matter, I think Mohammed bin Salman is the world's richest person, since he has such control over the House of Saud at this point; and the estimates of the royal family's total wealth is somewhere in the $2 trillion range.

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2 minutes ago, Fez said:

I would assume Putin, who some people estimated last year had a net worth somewhere between $70 billion and $200 billion; far, far higher than his official financial disclosures.

Yeah I definitely don't buy that Putin is the richest man in the world.  He's still gotta distribute to the rest of his entrenched oligarchs.

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1 minute ago, DMC said:

Yeah I definitely don't buy that Putin is the richest man in the world.  He's still gotta distribute to the rest of his entrenched oligarchs.

Give me back my pen!

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