Fragile Bird Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I’m pretty sure the Captain knew exactly what would happen to him and decided to do it anyway. I don’t think you become the captain of an aircraft carrier without understanding the politics and discipline of the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, BigFatCoward said: He also told the whole world that a major military asset was compromised. The rules are different in disciplined organisations, and you know that when you sign up. Rules are also different when your CINC is a raving fucking lunatic. Trump would happily watch every fucking sailor on that carrier fucking die if it means he gets to "win" the messaging war over the coronavirus. This way of thinking is totally fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: He also told the whole world that a major military asset was compromised. The rules are different in disciplined organisations, and you know that when you sign up. I was recruited to be a Naval officer out of college. I ultimately took a job with a Senator though. Either way, I understand internal discipline and knowing what you’re signing up for. This is a clear cry for help because superiors were ignoring or rejecting his concerns. His bosses should be disciplined, not him. And this sends a terrible signal throughout the government when everyone is afraid to lose their jobs and benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said: Rules are also different when your CINC is a raving fucking lunatic. Trump would happily watch every fucking sailor on that carrier fucking die if it means he gets to "win" the messaging war over the coronavirus. This way of thinking is totally fucked. Yup. And the story about the plague-stricken carrier has been out there for a few days, but I've heard no reaction from the "support our troops" flag-humpers. You know, the people who've used the death of four Americans in a besieged embassy in Libya as a political cudgel for eight years, who now are fucking silent when their chickenhawk President lets a goddamn plague infect the whole fucking country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 If you want to get more depressed about how the pandemic is being fought in the USA, read the NYT story about Jared Kushner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Possible signs of sanity returning to US Polling. Quote The newest ABC News/Ipsos poll shows that the American public is cooling on President Trump's handling of the coronavirus outbreak. This comes as virtually all Americans report their daily routines changing because of the outbreak and almost universal concern about infection. This KnowledgePanel survey conducted April 1-2, 2020 finds that 47% of Americans approve of the way Donald Trump is handling the response to the coronavirus, down from 55% two weeks ago and 51% in last week's ABC News/ Washington Post poll. Now the usual caveats apply that this is just one poll, but an 8% drop is outside the margin of error, and it supports the theory that the polling bump Trump is currently experiencing is a temporary "rally around the flag" phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: If you want to get more depressed about how the pandemic is being fought in the USA, read the NYT story about Jared Kushner. Could you please link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Possible signs of sanity returning to US Polling. Now the usual caveats apply that this is just one poll, but an 8% drop is outside the margin of error, and it supports the theory that the polling bump Trump is currently experiencing is a temporary "rally around the flag" phenomenon. I know you know this, but it needs to be said that most people do not follow things closely. Lots of ignorant people were still hanging on Trump‘s happy talk as of a week ago. I wrote here not that long ago that the hospital was hoping to reopen along Trump’s timeline. Now over half of the staff will be going home. I think the pessimism is finally settling in, and people will look for someone to blame. And the ads have already written themselves. If I were a gambling man I’d bet his numbers drop to their previous lows by June, if not sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Could you please link? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/jared-kushner-coronavirus-trump.html While looking for the link, I saw there are a bunch of stories on the topic. https://www.thedailybeast.com/jared-kushner-is-running-shadow-coronavirus-task-force-and-causing-confusion-officials-say https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/jared-kushner-shadow-coronavirus-task-force https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic-response-jared-kushner-coronavirus.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Once again, coronavirus thread or US Politics thread? A train engineer, seeing conspiracy stories on the internet that the hospital ship Mercy came to LA to do evil things on the coronavirus front, decided he might only get one chance in his life to save the world, so he revved up his train and smashed through barriers and chain link fences trying to crash his train into the Mercy. You could not make this shit up for a movie. https://www.thedailybeast.com/engineer-tried-to-crash-train-into-navy-hospital-ship-to-wake-people-up-to-coronavirus-conspiracy-doj-says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hospital ship Comfort is a joke played by chief blood-on-his-hands on NYC: https://www.businessinsider.com/usns-comfort-navy-hospital-nyc-largely-unused-2020-4 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html Quote The 1,000-bed hospital ship's mission was to free up space in the city's hospitals by taking non-coronavirus patients off their hands. But as of late Thursday, just 20 patients were being treated on board the ship, according to The New York Times, in part because of strict rules over how patients are admitted, and because there aren't many non-coronavirus patients in the city at the moment. To get on the ship, patients must first be taken to a hospital, where they are tested for COVID-19. [Z -- reminder, all the hospitals are overwhelmed by c19 patients already there and constantly delivered they have no beds for them. Good way to keep killing people, yes? The same thing happened with the the good USNS Ship Comfort in Haiti after the earthquake -- they took patients hardly at all, and those of the ruling mercantile plundering class.] But the ship isn't accepting patients with 49 other ailments as well, according to a list sent to the local hospitals. Only once a person's issues are determined to fit the scope of the ship's treatment offerings can that person be taken by ambulance to the Comfort. So ... those US federal stockpile medical supplies ... where are they? They've been sold at rock bottom prices to private companies who are reselling them on the market to the states (unless Florida, presumably!). This is where the federal stockpile of medical supplies are going -- to private commercial sellers to resell to the states. Jared Kushner is in charge of this. The video is General Russel L. Honor, who pulled the shyte of FEMA and Brownie together after Katrina. Just listen to what he has to say. It's chilling. Over and over he repeats he's NEVER seen anything like this in his life, from the corruption to the utter chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said: He also told the whole world that a major military asset was compromised. The rules are different in disciplined organisations, and you know that when you sign up. The moment it pulled into Guam everybody knew it was compromised. The letter told no one paying attention anything that wouldn't already have been known. And despite the brass's denial and claims they were working fast on helping those crewman, there's no fucking way someone who made it to naval Captain sends out a letter like that unless things have gotten extreme. This is fully something that only happens if the regular CoC isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just out of curiosity what is anyone expecting them to do? What is your big answer to this particular situation? It's easy to snipe from the sidelines, how would you address this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: You could not make this shit up for a movie. You sure can see the devil capering though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: Just out of curiosity what is anyone expecting them to do? What is your big answer to this particular situation? It's easy to snipe from the sidelines, how would you address this? Commend the captain for their tough decision, re-purpose other resources as if that carrier had needed immediate maintenance, and give every sailor on board priority testing and care and treat them as wartime casualties. Make sure that the military forces understand that we have their back and that if things suck, we'll fix their needs first. Possibly discipline the captain for poor comms in private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: Just out of curiosity what is anyone expecting them to do? What is your big answer to this particular situation? It's easy to snipe from the sidelines, how would you address this? Help the sailors on that ship immediately, instead of dithering for days and then firing the captain when finally forced to respond? By the way, here's footage of those sailors cheering for their captain as he departs the ship. https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/03/navy-uss-roosevelt-commander-relieved-cheering-sailors-send-off-newday-vpx.cnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Commend the captain for their tough decision, re-purpose other resources as if that carrier had needed immediate maintenance, and give every sailor on board priority testing and care and treat them as wartime casualties. Make sure that the military forces understand that we have their back and that if things suck, we'll fix their needs first. Possibly discipline the captain for poor comms in private. Really, the decision to punish him so publicly is probably the most egregious part, even assuming the Brass isn't full of shit and they were actually working as fast as possible to help the crew of that ship, this signals to everyone paying attention that the higher ups will not have their guys backs. And that? Is a serious fucking problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: Help the sailors on that ship immediately, instead of dithering for days and then firing the captain when finally forced to respond? By the way, here's footage of those sailors cheering for their captain as he departs the ship. https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/03/navy-uss-roosevelt-commander-relieved-cheering-sailors-send-off-newday-vpx.cnn Helpt the sailors? Well I wonder why they didn't think of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 IDK, but given who currently in charge all documents on why have probably been destroyed, we'll have to wait until the orange turd blurts the reason out during one of his press conferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: Helpt the sailors? Well I wonder why they didn't think of that. Because the current government would rather let people die than admit that there's a problem? They were willing to keep the ship in danger until the captain let word out. Captain Crozier's chief sin seems to have been displaying more concern for the lives of the people under him than the reputations of the people above him. ETA: I understand the Official Reasons why he was removed from command and the validity of the rules he broke. But his superiors put him in a shitty position and he made the humane choice. It's worth noting that the current Secretary of the Navy is in his posiiton because his predecessor disagreed with Trump's political interference with the military's punishment of a convicted war criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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