Daenerys is Azor Ahai Reborn

[Rose of Red Lake]

On 9/1/2020 at 1:17 PM, BlackLightning said:

Yeah but the base of the Hightower is made of the same oily stone and yet we don't hear anything about how there are no trees or plants in Oldtown or the surrounding areas. In fact, we hear the opposite: there are lots of trees and plants in the area. Enough to build ships.

It looks like there is a distinction between oily black stone and fused black stone here. 

[Here's Looking At You, Kid]

On 6/10/2020 at 9:28 PM, Bowen 747 said:

Each people have a piece of the puzzle.  That could be the reason why everybody must cooperate in order to avoid the extinction of life on Planetos.  The Dosh Khaleen have theirs, the Maesters theirs, as well as the Asshai.  Bran is on a journey through the weirwood network.  Daenerys meanwhile takes a physical journey all over Essos and gets exposed to a lot of weird cultures.  Samwell will almost certainly learn something from the Citadel.  

 

Seems like a good motivation to put aside differences in order to cooperate.  But cooperation won't happen as long as the likes of Cersei, Jon, Doran, Littlefinger, and Arya are alive.  They are all too obsessed with revenge.  Euron and Mance are other impediments to peace who must be disposed of.  The Martells would do well to listen to Ellaria. 

[Bowen 747]

On 9/19/2020 at 7:22 PM, Here's Looking At You, Kid said:

Seems like a good motivation to put aside differences in order to cooperate.  But cooperation won't happen as long as the likes of Cersei, Jon, Doran, Littlefinger, and Arya are alive.  They are all too obsessed with revenge.  Euron and Mance are other impediments to peace who must be disposed of.  The Martells would do well to listen to Ellaria. 

Include Wayman Manderly in this group.

[TheLastWolf]

8 hours ago, Bowen 747 said:

Include Wayman Manderly in this group.

The North Remembers... 

And yeah, Winter is (also) coming... 

[Jeeves]

On 4/4/2020 at 10:47 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

I pulled up an old topic from long ago.  I thought it worth the effort to widen the scope of this discussion. 

We started off talking about the "ghosts" in the hallway and their swords.  I want to bring in additional materials that may help in the discussion, for those who would care to talk about this old topic.

From Pate:

There are at least four of these "candles."  Valyria is the accepted origin.

From Armen:

Why would a candle have sharp edges?  Only weapons have sharp edges.  Knowledge can be dangerous but not as dangerous as ignorance.  I don't agree with this part of Armen's opinion.

From Leo:

The source of light is obviously not a flame. 

From Armen:

No it does not.  Marwyn thinks it's obsidian though. 

From Samwell:

So what kind of light makes whites look like that?  Something that has ultra-violet.  The perfect light to use against creatures who live at night.  They burn instead of getting a sun tan. 

From Will:

So once again, we have swords that glow in the dark.  This one gives off blue light. 

From Ned:

Arthur's sword glows in the dark?  It is described as glass-like.

From Daenerys:

We assumed in the first discussion that these men were not the Targaryen kings of Westeros.  The Targaryens do not name themselves or their reign in terms of gem stones.  These men were older, from a long time ago.  These men were Azor Ahai of his time.  Their clothes were ragged because they were living through the long night.  So why is Daenerys important to them?  I believe it is because she is Azor Ahai for this time.  She is the one who can "wake the dragon."  The dragon represents fire and light. 

From Quaithe:

It is my opinion that the death of Khal Drogo lit the candles.  Khal Drogo is Nissa Nissa. 

From The World of Ice & Fire:

So it is believed the Blood Betrayal caused the Long Night.  I'm doubtful, but let's continue.  It is obvious to me, Maiden-Made-of-Light is the Sun.  Lion of Night is the Moon.

From Old Nan:

This looks like a climate change to me.  Change the environment and it favors another species.  The definition of who is fittest can change.  Darkness and cold favor the white walkers.

From The World of Ice & Fire:

This is clear evidence.  The threat existed long before the blood betrayal took place.  Why else would the effort to build and guard these fortresses be sensible.  The size of the defense is equal to the seriousness of the threat.  The blood betrayal did not create the threat.

From The World of Ice & Fire:

The "ghosts" must have failed.  They are hailed as heroes in the records but I think the climate changed on its own.  The long night ended but the empire remained broken.  I believe this is important, but more on this later.  Parts of the old ruling families still exists and rule fractions of what was the old empire. 

From The World of Ice & Fire:

Amethyst is a purple-blue color.  This guy, Bu Gai, must have descended from the Amethyst Empress (family) of old. 

From George Martin: (not an exact quote)

From Quaithe:

From Daenerys and Quaithe:

From The World of Ice & Fire:

No people in their right mind would build with this stone in a place like this.  Unless it wasn't like this when it was built.  Asshai must have been normal in the past.  Something happened to corrupt the very stone of the city itself and contaminate the land around it.  Perhaps this is the after effects of the long night.

I know.  Whew that was long.  But I hope you will agree with me.  It is important for Daenerys Targaryen to learn this truth to avoid a repeat of what happened in this part of the world.  The Amethyst Empress was not an individual but a political faction and family branch.  The Red was also a political faction.  Much like the Tigers and the Elephants in the free cities today.  The blood betrayal caused a political and social divide.  The empire could no longer properly defend its borders because they were divided.  Daenerys assumed Asshai but Quaithe probably meant Yin.  Lightbringer's role is to restore and to rebuild after the end of the long night.  It is easier to accept Lightbringer being glass lanterns to light the world through the long night.  It may even be a weapon because it is sharp.  At least some enable communication.  I don't rule out that there is an actual sword called Lightbringer but an object with multiple uses, weapon, lantern, and telephone, is much more useful.  The Valyrians perhaps didn't know what it was and repurposed the glass objects into communication devices.  The phrase "to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow" mean the long night cannot be stopped nor avoided.  Daenerys will have to live through the darkness before she can again enjoy light and warmth.  Which is fitting because the last title will be A Dream of Spring.  Knowing this truth will help her prepare herself and her people to live through the long night and rebuild afterwards.  The last part is something the previous Azor Ahai was never able to do.

Dany's many past lives may have began all the way back from the beginning. I am talking about her soul. Like she's the equivalent of Eve from the bible.  The first female.  She is a mother figure to humanity.  George just upped the stakes when he crippled her and made her barren.  Magic can cure that. 

[James Fenimore Cooper XXII]

I appreciate those who remained interested in an old posting of mine.  I changed the title to better follow the main idea of the essay.  Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn.  The dragons have been woken from stone.  

 

 

[The Commentator]

On 5/17/2020 at 12:23 PM, Quoth the raven, said:

Now we just need to find a funny looking fool who has lived a long time and carries a glass sword around.  My precious.  My precious.  

I don't know about that.  Arya seems like the hybrid cross between Gollum and Robert Jordan's Padan Fain.  And she carries needle.  Nothing special about that blade. 

[TheLastWolf]

9 hours ago, Widowmaker 811 said:

Nothing special about that blade. 

"Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell's grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan's stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow's smile.”

[Moiraine Sedai]

On 9/27/2020 at 4:19 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

I appreciate those who remained interested in an old posting of mine.  I changed the title to better follow the main idea of the essay.  Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn.  The dragons have been woken from stone.  

 

 

Nice to get the topic back in line.  Yup.  She is Azor Ahai.

[Moiraine Sedai]

9 hours ago, TheLastWolf said:

"Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell's grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan's stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow's smile.”

And what a wicked smile. It kills the innocent as well as the guilty.

On 9/24/2020 at 3:03 AM, Jeeves said:

Dany's many past lives may have began all the way back from the beginning. I am talking about her soul. Like she's the equivalent of Eve from the bible.  The first female.  She is a mother figure to humanity.  George just upped the stakes when he crippled her and made her barren.  Magic can cure that. 

I'm pretty sure about Daenerys being of the same family as the rulers of the Great Empire of the Dawn.  She could even start a new empire after the long night has passed.  The founders of the old dynasty were the Maiden Made of Light and Lion of the Night. As James Cooper says the Sun and the Moon respectively.  Daenerys being the sun and maybe Bran being the Moon.

[TheLastWolf]

33 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

And what a wicked smile. It kills the innocent as well as the guilty

You didn't convince me in the Psycho/Avenger thread and you aren't going to now.

Dany fans hate Starks/North and everything not Targ. It is known 

Edited October 1, 2020 by TheLastWolf

[Bowen 747]

On 9/27/2020 at 4:19 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

I appreciate those who remained interested in an old posting of mine.  I changed the title to better follow the main idea of the essay.  Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn.  The dragons have been woken from stone.  

 

 

To quote Aemon in "Feast", The dragons prove it. 

[James Fenimore Cooper XXII]

The dragons do, indeed, prove Dany is Azor Ahai, the Promised Prince(ss).  I don't believe there will be any more dragon hatchings.  This is the definitive identifier. 

Edited February 18, 2021 by James Fenimore Cooper XXII

[Lilac & Gooseberries]

I have yet to see something to convince me that anyone else rather than Jon will going to be Azor Ahai Reborn. Dany looks, smells and sounds like a red herring.

Edited February 18, 2021 by Lilac & Gooseberries

[LynnS]

8 hours ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

I have yet to see something to convince me that anyone else rather than Jon will going to be Azor Ahai Reborn. Dany looks, smells and sounds like a red herring.

I'm guessing that Jon could transform Longclaw into Lightbringer by plunging it into Melisandre's heart.  At least Mel is contriving to make Stannis into her version of AA; with herself cast in the role of Nissa Nissa.  But she's got the wrong guy.

[Lilac & Gooseberries]

5 hours ago, LynnS said:

I'm guessing that Jon could transform Longclaw into Lightbringer by plunging it into Melisandre's heart.  At least Mel is contriving to make Stannis into her version of AA; with herself cast in the role of Nissa Nissa.  But she's got the wrong guy.

I am not convinced that Jon will need a Lightbringer or a Nissa Nissa. I am not even convinced that Lightbringer was or will be a sword and that Nissa Nissa was or will be a human. What I am convinced about is that Dany seems like a red herring, smells like a red herring and sound like a red herring. For me that is a sigh that she is a red herring.

[El Guapo]

Yeah if it was just the dragons hatching than I might agree on the red herring theory but there is of course a lot more proof than that. The clincher to me was the excerpt from the Jade Compendium that Jon read  about Azor Ahai killing monster in what was an almost word for word description on how Dany killed Kraznys.   Dany is Azor Ahai.

[Lilac & Gooseberries]

Only if you believe that Azor Ahai will be reincarnated to kill humans not monsters and forget how similar and even more relevant is with Sam slaying an Other.

[Moiraine Sedai]

Jon is not Azor Ahai.  He has no connection to dragons.  Jon is all ice, purely of the north.  He was either fathered by Brandon on Lyanna, or by Mance on the same woman.  

Azor Ahai, the long-awaited Targaryen, needed to come from Targaryen parents.  Both mother and father needed to be Targaryen for two generations.  The promised one has to have grandparents and patents who were all Targaryen.  That is the real meaning of the prophecy.  The child cannot come from Aerys + a non-Targaryen.  This special child had to come from Targaryen + Targaryen.  We know the reason.  This child will hatch dragons from stone.  The child is as dragon as a human can get.  

[Lilac & Gooseberries]

1 minute ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

Jon is not Azor Ahai.  He has no connection to dragons.  Jon is all ice, purely of the north.  He was either fathered by Brandon on Lyanna, or by Mance on the same woman.  

Azor Ahai, the long-awaited Targaryen, needed to come from Targaryen parents.  Both mother and father needed to be Targaryen for two generations.  The promised one has to have grandparents and patents who were all Targaryen.  That is the real meaning of the prophecy.  The child cannot come from Aerys + a non-Targaryen.  This special child had to come from Targaryen + Targaryen.  We know the reason.  This child will hatch dragons from stone.  The child is as dragon as a human can get.  

Prove it.