Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, SeanF said: Even the most unenlightened of people in this world would take the view that Dany's duty is to protect the unborn child of her lord husband, and to accept his judgements. Yes, and regardless, put it this way, who matters more to Dany, her idiot abusive brother, or her unborn child? The answer is obvious. Dracul's Daughter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracul's Daughter Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Yes, and regardless, put it this way, who matters more to Dany, her idiot abusive brother, or her unborn child? The answer is obvious. Plus,let's say Dany intervines and tells Drogo to not kill her shithead brother.I don't know how the other dothrakis would have seen Drogo if he would let Viserys go away.My guess,he would have been seen as a weak khal.Oh,and that forgetting that Viserys broke a sacred rule which is punished by death and that Drogo would care about his child. Edited March 4, 2021 by Dracul's Daughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilac & Gooseberries Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, SeanF said: Roose probably would be within his rights to have executed Ramsay. Kinslaying is still kinslaying. 1 hour ago, SeanF said: I imagine that when a young mother has just been threatened with disembowellment, pleading for the life of her assailant will be the last thing on her mind. Not that Drogo would have done any differently. We should not expect any woman in this tale to be Patient Griselda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griselda_(folklore) As I said it was a pointless message at the beginning and I was sarcastic. Honestly, I don't care about Viserys. When he threatened to have his sister raped by Drogo’s army I lost all sympathy for him. Especjally later when we found out how he actually tried to do it but Illyrio's men stopped him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: I mean let's be honest all of us here on this forum are just arguing for the fun of it, why else would we be here if not to debate and argue? Now as for the evidence, the only pieces of evidence are the the dragons and Azor Ahai's thing about waking the stone dragons. There are at least three options for the savior mythos, there's the Last Hero, there's Azor Ahai and there's the Rhoynar story. Only one of them features dragons. But even with the dragons, just MMD giving her dragons is not really a good basis for becoming Azor Ahai or even worse Queen. I mean supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical desert ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some Lazareen tart threw some lizards at you. I mean if I went around saying I was an King just because some desert bink had lobbed a lizard at me they'd put me away. Jokes aside, the dragons are I think the greatest arguments against Dany being Azor Ahai. Two of the savior story we know are about making peace to fight a greater enemy, only the Rhallo version being about the savior riding dragons and wielding Lightbringer saving the day. Therefore I think the hero will be the one to bring the forces against the Others through peace and compromise. That will be either Stannis giving up his kingship for the greater good, or Jon rallying everything and everyone against the Others. And like really think about it from GRRM's POV. How should the hero save the world? Through peace and compromise or through nukes? Finally, there's also the fact that Dany's plot is not tied to the WW in any way shape or form. Her being Azor Ahai makes as much sense as Arya being the one to end the Long Night. Prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Prove it. Prove what? Have you even fucking read what I wrote, or are you just repeating something you saw other people posting without bothering to understand the context in which it's most commonly used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Alyn Oakenfist said: Prove what? Have you even fucking read what I wrote, or are you just repeating something you saw other people posting without bothering to understand the context in which it's most commonly used? Yeah I saw what you wrote you gave your opinions without using anything in the text to back you up. So prove it. Prove that the Others will be defeated by peace and compromise and therefore AA can't be Dany. Prove it. Jaenara Belarys and The Commentator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Daenerys is Azor Ahai. She woke dragons from stone. That is the proof of her rebirth as Azor Ahai. Stannis is a fake, a fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, El Guapo said: So prove it. Prove that the Others will be defeated by peace and compromise and therefore AA can't be Dany. Prove it. Did I say I have any proof? I said: "And like really think about it from GRRM's POV. How should the hero save the world? Through peace and compromise or through nukes?" Nothing less. Also, as I said, you were the one to claim Dany is AA, the burden of proof is on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Widowmaker 811 said: Daenerys is Azor Ahai. She woke dragons from stone. That is the proof of her rebirth as Azor Ahai. Stannis is a fake, a fraud. As I said, supreme executive authority should derive from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical desert ceremony. I mean you can't expect for Dany to claim supreme executive power just because of some lizards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Did I say I have any proof? I said: "And like really think about it from GRRM's POV. How should the hero save the world? Through peace and compromise or through nukes?" Nothing less. Also, as I said, you were the one to claim Dany is AA, the burden of proof is on you. The proof is in the books. Many threads have been written about it right here on this site. The search button is your friend. and P.S. I don't need to "prove" anything to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: As I said, supreme executive authority should derive from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical desert ceremony. I mean you can't expect for Dany to claim supreme executive power just because of some lizards. You do realize that Azor Ahai has absolutely nothing to do with being a king or queen, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, El Guapo said: P.S. I don't need to "prove" anything to you. Yes you do, if you claim Dany is Azor Ahai. I'm not claiming anything, I'm questioning your assumptions. 1 minute ago, El Guapo said: The proof is in the books. Many threads have been written about it right here on this site. Feel free to point it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, El Guapo said: You do realize that Azor Ahai has absolutely nothing to do with being a king or queen, right? So you admit Dany shouldn't be Queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: So you admit Dany shouldn't be Queen? No. I don't think Dany WILL be Queen at the end. And if she does become queen it won't last long because she will die defeating the Others. But that is beside the point. I have no idea why you are conflating Azor Ahai with being a king or queen because they literally have nothing to do with each other. Edited March 4, 2021 by El Guapo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, El Guapo said: No. I don't think Dany WILL be Queen at the end. And if she does become queen it won't last long because she will die defeating the Others. But that is beside the point. I have no idea why you are conflating Azor Ahai with being a king or queen because they literally have nothing to do with each other. I mean tbf they kinda do. All potential AA's, Stannis Jon and Dany are closely connected to Kingship. Both Stannis and Dany claim to be Kings, and while Jon isn't yet, the mountain of foreshadowing in that direction is through the roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: I mean tbf they kinda do. All potential AA's, Stannis Jon and Dany are closely connected to Kingship. Both Stannis and Dany claim to be Kings, and while Jon isn't yet, the mountain of foreshadowing in that direction is through the roof. There is nothing in the prophecy that says Azor Ahai is a king/queen or will become king/queen. So no they aren't connected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, El Guapo said: Yeah I saw what you wrote you gave your opinions without using anything in the text to back you up. So prove it. Prove that the Others will be defeated by peace and compromise and therefore AA can't be Dany. Prove it. I mean, I wrote a perfectly detailed post about it quoting you and you didn't even reply to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CamiloRP said: I mean, I wrote a perfectly detailed post about it quoting you and you didn't even reply to it. Not sure what you wanted me to reply to? It was just your opinion on where you think the book is heading and not based on anything actually written in the text.. I think I have made it clear that I disagree with that opinion and nothing I say will change your mind and vice/versa. Edited March 4, 2021 by El Guapo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Not sure what you wanted me to reply to? It was just your opinion on where you think the book is heading and not based on anything actually written in the text.. Oh, the irony... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Oh, the irony... how so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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