Daenerys is Azor Ahai Reborn

[Rose of Red Lake]

She's gonna swoop in at the last moment (tension: will she arrive? won't she?), yell dracarys, and save everyone without lifting a finger like she did Yunkai. 

[El Guapo]

3 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

No, but still, the fight against the others is the main driving force behind Jon's and Stannis's plot in ADWD, and yet for Dany, she doesn't even know the Others are real.

So what?  She will know about them soon enough. What a coincidence that the two major conflicts hinted at since book one. Dany's invasion of Westeros and the Others invasion of Westeros have yet to happen.  

[Alyn Oakenfist]

3 minutes ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

She's gonna swoop in at the last moment (tension: will she arrive? won't she?), yell dracarys, and save everyone without lifting a finger like she did Yunkai. 

You mean Astapor?

But yes, I agree her doing something like that would be so satisfying, thought not as satisfying as Arya, another character with no involvement in the WW plot pulling a "teleports behind you nothing personal kid" and ending the Long Night with just one stab.

1 minute ago, El Guapo said:

So what?  She will know about them soon enough. What a coincidence that the two major conflicts hinted at since book one. Dany's invasion of Westeros and the Others invasion of Westeros have yet to happen.  

You do know Dany is supposed to be as big an existential threat to Westeros as the Others, and not the savior, right?

[El Guapo]

3 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

You mean Astapor?

But yes, I agree her doing something like that would be so satisfying, thought not as satisfying as Arya, another character with no involvement in the WW plot pulling a "teleports behind you nothing personal kid" and ending the Long Night with just one stab.

You do know Dany is supposed to be as big an existential threat to Westeros as the Others, and not the savior, right?

She is both actually.

[Willam Stark]

32 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

Well you can use this thread as a start but there are many other like it.

 

 

It is an interesting theory, not proof. As GRRM stated "Prophecies are, you know, a double edge sword. You have to handle them very carefully; I mean, they can add depth and interest to a book, but you don’t want to be too literal or too easy.". We don't know which parts of the prophecy has to be taken literally or metaphorically. The term "dragon" may refer to actuals dragons or to designate a member of House Targaryen, same thing with "sword" that can refer to a black brother of Night's Watch for example. Dany is a serious candidate of course, but we can't definitely exclude Jon from the list after what Melissandre said about him in ADWD. It will be either of them I think, maybe both, we'll see.

[El Guapo]

4 minutes ago, Willam Stark said:

It is an interesting theory, not proof. As GRRM stated "Prophecies are, you know, a double edge sword. You have to handle them very carefully; I mean, they can add depth and interest to a book, but you don’t want to be too literal or too easy.". We don't know which parts of the prophecy has to be taken literally or metaphorically. The term "dragon" may refer to actuals dragons or to designate a member of House Targaryen, same thing with "sword" that can refer to a black brother of Night's Watch for example. Dany is a serious candidate of course, but we can't definitely exclude Jon from the list after what Melissandre said about him in ADWD. It will be either of them I think, maybe both, we'll see.

Um pretty much everything is a theory at this point whether it is Dany being Azor Ahai, or R+L+J.  However thee are clues that point to these theories being true. I have seen enough of the clues to say that both theories I listed above are true.  

[Willam Stark]

8 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

Um pretty much everything is a theory at this point whether it is Dany being Azor Ahai, or R+L+J.

This is why you can't say for sure that she is Azor Ahai, only that she has high chances to be him.

Lot of people would agree with that.

[SeanF]

25 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

You mean Astapor?

But yes, I agree her doing something like that would be so satisfying, thought not as satisfying as Arya, another character with no involvement in the WW plot pulling a "teleports behind you nothing personal kid" and ending the Long Night with just one stab.

You do know Dany is supposed to be as big an existential threat to Westeros as the Others, and not the savior, right?

It's a theory, but not one I adhere to.  The Others are a threat like Morgoth, compared to which any human being is a joke.

That doesn't mean she'll swoop in and save everything like a dea ex machina, but I expect she (and others) will play their part.

[The Commentator]

16 minutes ago, Willam Stark said:

It is an interesting theory, not proof. As GRRM stated "Prophecies are, you know, a double edge sword. You have to handle them very carefully; I mean, they can add depth and interest to a book, but you don’t want to be too literal or too easy.". We don't know which parts of the prophecy has to be taken literally or metaphorically. The term "dragon" may refer to actuals dragons or to designate a member of House Targaryen, same thing with "sword" that can refer to a black brother of Night's Watch for example. Dany is a serious candidate of course, but we can't definitely exclude Jon from the list after what Melissandre said about him in ADWD. It will be either of them I think, maybe both, we'll see.

I don’t think Jon Snow will be hatching dragons.  If we are to rank the candidates for Azor Ahai, Daenerys Targaryen will be at the top. The next is a very distant second.  That would be Aegon .  I feel comfortable in my opinion that Daenerys is Azor Ahai. Is it 100% certain? No, but the story left little room for AA to be anybody else.  The first post is a good one but hardly needed given the weight of the evidence to support Daenerys.  The hatching of the dragons is only one.  The prominence of the number 3 in her character arc and the death of her spouse are others. 

[Alyn Oakenfist]

2 minutes ago, SeanF said:

It's a theory, but not one I adhere to.  The Others are a threat like Morgoth, compared to which any human being is a joke.

I mean Morgoth was the big existential bad, but that didn't make Sauron any less dangerous. On the contrary, his more human evil was far more insidious and even maybe dangerous from how hard it was to fight it.

3 minutes ago, SeanF said:

That doesn't mean she'll swoop in and save everything like a dea ex machina, but I expect she (and others) will play their part.

Yes, she will play her part, but she is not the savior.

[Rose of Red Lake]

4 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

You mean Astapor?

I was thinking of whatever one it was, where her minions did all the sewer work and she just sat in a tent.

 

[SeanF]

7 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

I mean Morgoth was the big existential bad, but that didn't make Sauron any less dangerous. On the contrary, his more human evil was far more insidious and even maybe dangerous from how hard it was to fight it.

Yes, she will play her part, but she is not the savior.

Glen Cook had the answer to that, in The Black Company.  You would always choose Sauron (or in his case, Dark Galadriel) over chaos.

I doubt if there is any one saviour.  Just lots of people playing their part.

[Alyn Oakenfist]

2 minutes ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

I was thinking of whatever one it was, where her minions did all the sewer work and she just sat in a tent.

That's Meereen.

I thought you were referring to the time she saved Astapor from it's awful fate at the hands of the slavers.

[Alyn Oakenfist]

2 minutes ago, SeanF said:

Glen Cook had the answer to that, in The Black Company.  You would always choose Sauron (or in his case, Dark Galadriel) over chaos.

Yes Sauron is not Morgoth, he wants to dominate where as Morgoth just wanted to destroy, however he took came dangerously close to actually winning, despite arguably being less powerful that his former master.

Also, what is The Black Company?

Edited March 4, 2021 by Alyn Oakenfist

[Rose of Red Lake]

12 minutes ago, Widowmaker 811 said:

I don’t think Jon Snow will be hatching dragons.  If we are to rank the candidates for Azor Ahai, Daenerys Targaryen will be at the top. The next is a very distant second.  That would be Aegon .  I feel comfortable in my opinion that Daenerys is Azor Ahai. Is it 100% certain? No, but the story left little room for AA to be anybody else.  The first post is a good one but hardly needed given the weight of the evidence to support Daenerys.  The hatching of the dragons is only one.  The prominence of the number 3 in her character arc and the death of her spouse are others. 

I dont think you will want Dany to be Azor Ahai if the "warrior of fire" is really just a glorified arsonist.

[Rose of Red Lake]

4 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

That's Meereen.

I thought you were referring to the time she saved Astapor from it's awful fate at the hands of the slavers.

Oh right, got them mixed up. But either way, swooping in and "saving" a place she knows nothing about and has never been to before is doubtful. I dont even think it's happening in Slaver's Bay tbh.

[El Guapo]

34 minutes ago, Willam Stark said:

This is why you can't say for sure that she is Azor Ahai, only that she has high chances to be him.

Lot of people would agree with that.

Look based on the clues we are given I am quite comfortable at this point to say that she is Azor Ahai. If it turns out that I am wrong so be it.  But I don't think I am.

[Willam Stark]

5 minutes ago, Widowmaker 811 said:

I don’t think Jon Snow will be hatching dragons.

The prophecy did not say that he (Azor Ahai) will hatch dragons, but "wake dragons out of the stone", it's not the same thing. If I want to be even more picky, I can say that Dany gave birth to her dragons in summer, before "the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world". At this stage she doesn't have greater chances than Jon to be Azor Ahai, maybe later.

[El Guapo]

20 minutes ago, Willam Stark said:

The prophecy did not say that he (Azor Ahai) will hatch dragons, but "wake dragons out of the stone", it's not the same thing. If I want to be even more picky, I can say that Dany gave birth to her dragons in summer, before "the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world". At this stage she doesn't have greater chances than Jon to be Azor Ahai, maybe later.

Not for nothing but Dany herself refers to that event as her dragons being "awakened" not born or hatched and whatever word you want to use to dseecribed that event it happened at the end of summer as we find out in the very next chapter (in ACOK) that summer had officially ended.

Edited March 4, 2021 by El Guapo

[Dracul's Daughter]

1 hour ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

I was thinking of whatever one it was, where her minions did all the sewer work and she just sat in a tent.

 

Yeah,like she never plans battles.Like she never planned how to take the Unsullied and Yunkai and Meereen.Right,she just sat in a tent and let the men do all the work for her.

Her Dothraki scouts had told her how it was, but Dany wanted to see for herself. Ser Jorah Mormont rode with her through a birchwood forest and up a slanting sandstone ridge. "Near enough," he warned her at the crest.

Dany reined in her mare and looked across the fields, to where the Yunkish host lay athwart her path. Whitebeard had been teaching her how best to count the numbers of a foe. "Five thousand," she said after a moment.

"I'd say so." Ser Jorah pointed. "Those are sellswords on the flanks. Lances and mounted bowmen, with swords and axes for the close work. The Second Sons on the left wing, the Stormcrows to the right. About five hundred men apiece. See the banners?"

Yunkai's harpy grasped a whip and iron collar in her talons instead of a length of chain. But the sellswords flew their own standards beneath those of the city they served: on the right four crows between crossed thunderbolts, on the left a broken sword. "The Yunkai'i hold the center themselves," Dany noted. Their officers looked indistinguishable from Astapor's at a distance; tall bright helms and cloaks sewn with flashing copper disks. "Are those slave soldiers they lead?"

"In large part. But not the equal of Unsullied. Yunkai is known for training bed slaves, not warriors."

"What say you? Can we defeat this army?"

"Easily," Ser Jorah said.

"But not bloodlessly." Blood aplenty had soaked into the bricks of Astapor the day that city fell, though little of it belonged to her or hers.

"We might win a battle here, but at such cost we cannot take the city."

"That is ever a risk, Khaleesi. Astapor was complacent and vulnerable. Yunkai is forewarned."

Dany considered. The slaver host seemed small compared to her own numbers, but the sellswords were ahorse. She'd ridden too long with Dothraki not to have a healthy respect for what mounted warriors could do to foot. The Unsullied could withstand their charge, but my freedmen will be slaughtered. "The slavers like to talk," she said. "Send word that I will hear them this evening in my tent. And invite the captains of the sellsword companies to call on me as well. But not together. The Stormcrows at midday, the Second Sons two hours later."

"As you wish," Ser Jorah said. "But if they do not come-"

"They'll come. They will be curious to see the dragons and hear what I might have to say, and the clever ones will see it for a chance to gauge my strength." She wheeled her silver mare about. "I'll await them in my pavilion."

                                              "A Storm of Swords" - Chapter 42 , Daenerys IV



Full dark had fallen by the time the Yunkai'i departed from her camp. It promised to be a gloomy night; moonless, starless, with a chill wet wind blowing from the west. A fine black night, thought Dany. The fires burned all around her, small orange stars strewn across hill and field. "Ser Jorah," she said, "summon my bloodriders." Dany seated herself on a mound of cushions to await them, her dragons all about her. When they were assembled, she said, "An hour past midnight should be time enough."

"Yes, Khaleesi," said Rakharo. "Time for what?"

"To mount our attack."

Ser Jorah Mormont scowled. "You told the sellswords-"

"-that I wanted their answers on the morrow. I made no promises about tonight. The Stormcrows will be arguing about my offer. The Second Sons will be drunk on the wine I gave Mero. And the Yunkai'i believe they have three days. We will take them under cover of this darkness."

"They will have scouts watching for us."

"And in the dark, they will see hundreds of campfires burning," said Dany. "If they see anything at all."

"Khaleesi," said Jhogo, "I will deal with these scouts. They are no riders, only slavers on horses."

"Just so," she agreed. "I think we should attack from three sides. Grey Worm, your Unsullied shall strike at them from right and left, while my kos lead my horse in wedge for a thrust through their center. Slave soldiers will never stand before mounted Dothraki." She smiled. "To be sure, I am only a young girl and know little of war. What do you think, my lords?"

"I think you are Rhaegar Targaryen's sister," Ser Jorah said with a rueful half smile.

"Aye," said Arstan Whitebeard, "and a queen as well."

                                 "A Storm of Swords" - Chapter 42 , Daenerys IV




"This challenge must be met," Arstan said again.

"It will be." Dany said, as the hero tucked his penis away again. "Tell Strong Belwas I have need of him."

They found the huge brown eunuch sitting in the shade of her pavilion, eating a sausage. He finished it in three bites, wiped his greasy hands clean on his trousers, and sent Arstan Whitebeard to fetch him his steel. The aged squire honed Belwas's arakh every evening and rubbed it down with bright red oil.

When Whitebeard brought the sword, Strong Belwas squinted down the edge, grunted, slid the blade back into its leather sheath, and tied the swordbelt about his vast waist. Arstan had brought his shield as well: a round steel disk no larger than a pie plate, which the eunuch grasped with his off hand rather than strapping to his forearm in the manner of Westeros. "Find liver and onions, Whitebeard," Belwas said. "Not for now, for after. Killing makes Strong Belwas hungry." He did not wait for a reply, but lumbered from the olive grove toward Oznak zo Pahl.

"Why that one, Khaleesi?" Rakharo demanded of her. "He is fat and stupid."

"Strong Belwas was a slave here in the fighting pits. If this highborn Oznak should fall to such the Great Masters will be shamed, while if he wins . . . well, it is a poor victory for one so noble, one that Meereen can take no pride in." And unlike Ser Jorah, Daario, Brown Ben, and her three bloodriders, the eunuch did not lead troops, plan battles, or give her counsel. He does nothing but eat and boast and bellow at Arstan. Belwas was the man she could most easily spare. And it was time she learned what sort of protector Magister Illyrio had sent her.

                                          "A Storm of Swords" - Chapter 57, Daenerys V


 

1 hour ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

1 hour ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

That's Meereen.

I thought you were referring to the time she saved Astapor from it's awful fate at the hands of the slavers.

Oh right, got them mixed up.

In Astapor she came with the idea by herself and while in Meereen Ben Plumm gave her the idea of the sewers,she always takes part in the battle strategy planning but I guess you can't bother much with her chapters.

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Dracul's Daughter