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Daenerys is Azor Ahai Reborn

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17 minutes ago, SeanF said:

Things that actually happened, like Nero gelding and marrying Sporus, or the Dance of the Burning Men, or women being raped by animals as public entertainment, or Uggolino locking a man in a barrel to see if his soul would emerge at the point of death would be rejected as absurd in fiction.

And the less we say about Elagabalus, the better. People would think it a very dumb porno parody of an actual story of any characters acted like him.

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23 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

And the less we say about Elagabalus, the better. People would think it a very dumb porno parody of an actual story of any characters acted like him.

Across many cultures, I think an upper class upbringing must have been very corrupting.  Brought up to believe you have the right to exercise untrammelled power over others, to have sex with anyone who takes your fancy, and surrounded by people who fawn over you and cater to your every whim, while trying to exploit you and each other.

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4 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

- Lysa has PTSD and bipolar personality disorder.

At first glance y read "Lyanna" and was really confused.

 

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- Aerys had narcissistic personality disorder from the get go, and then tok many issues to count, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia and probably dementia too from all the inbreeding.

And major PTSD after Duskendale.

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18 hours ago, Unit A2 said:

Arya is the one who will go Stark raving mad.  Bran is calm and easy going for a Stark.  It's Arya and Jon who have the dreaded wolf's blood.  

They all have the wolf’s blood.  Bran will go nuts if something were to happen to his siblings.  Looking back on the ancient story, things are playing in a somewhat similar way.  The Maiden Made of Light is hidden, away on exile.  This is Daenerys, the Light.  The Lion Of Night, Bran the Dark one will see his siblings die from betrayals.  Never mind that Jon and Arya deserved it.  Bran can send minions, wights, to punish those he thinks are guilty.  Let loose the wights on Westeros, like Jon set Mance and the wildlings loose against Westeros.  Darkness and wights will have their day until Dany and Drogon burn them at the Trident.  The melting of the northern host of ice will bring the spring thaw. The water will bring life back to the land as the ice and the darkness release their grip.

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9 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

They kinda forgot the Targs are the with the insanity inbred gene

The Targaryens should really have all the physical, intellectual, sexual, and mental problems. I think a lot of them are there, just masked. Daenerys infertile like Charles II. Stillborn children like King Tut. Bone disorders like King Tut's sisters. Biopolar and personality disorders like the Spanish Bourbons. Ect.

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1 minute ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

The Targaryens should really have all the physical, intellectual, sexual, and mental problems. I think a lot of them are there, just masked. Daenerys infertile like Charles II. Stillborn children like King Tut. Bone disorders like King Tut's sisters. Biopolar and personality disorders like the Spanish Bourbons. Ect.

I mean not necessarily. Look at the Ptolemies. Sure some of them were as clever as Cersei and as stable as Aerys, but some of them were like Cleopatra, one of the smartest women of her age.

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On 4/4/2020 at 10:47 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

I pulled up an old topic from long ago.  I thought it worth the effort to widen the scope of this discussion. 

We started off talking about the "ghosts" in the hallway and their swords.  I want to bring in additional materials that may help in the discussion, for those who would care to talk about this old topic.

From Pate:

There are at least four of these "candles."  Valyria is the accepted origin.

From Armen:

Why would a candle have sharp edges?  Only weapons have sharp edges.  Knowledge can be dangerous but not as dangerous as ignorance.  I don't agree with this part of Armen's opinion.

From Leo:

The source of light is obviously not a flame. 

From Armen:

No it does not.  Marwyn thinks it's obsidian though. 

From Samwell:

So what kind of light makes whites look like that?  Something that has ultra-violet.  The perfect light to use against creatures who live at night.  They burn instead of getting a sun tan. 

From Will:

So once again, we have swords that glow in the dark.  This one gives off blue light. 

From Ned:

Arthur's sword glows in the dark?  It is described as glass-like.

From Daenerys:

We assumed in the first discussion that these men were not the Targaryen kings of Westeros.  The Targaryens do not name themselves or their reign in terms of gem stones.  These men were older, from a long time ago.  These men were Azor Ahai of his time.  Their clothes were ragged because they were living through the long night.  So why is Daenerys important to them?  I believe it is because she is Azor Ahai for this time.  She is the one who can "wake the dragon."  The dragon represents fire and light. 

From Quaithe:

It is my opinion that the death of Khal Drogo lit the candles.  Khal Drogo is Nissa Nissa. 

From The World of Ice & Fire:

So it is believed the Blood Betrayal caused the Long Night.  I'm doubtful, but let's continue.  It is obvious to me, Maiden-Made-of-Light is the Sun.  Lion of Night is the Moon.

From Old Nan:

This looks like a climate change to me.  Change the environment and it favors another species.  The definition of who is fittest can change.  Darkness and cold favor the white walkers.

From The World of Ice & Fire:

This is clear evidence.  The threat existed long before the blood betrayal took place.  Why else would the effort to build and guard these fortresses be sensible.  The size of the defense is equal to the seriousness of the threat.  The blood betrayal did not create the threat.

From The World of Ice & Fire:

The "ghosts" must have failed.  They are hailed as heroes in the records but I think the climate changed on its own.  The long night ended but the empire remained broken.  I believe this is important, but more on this later.  Parts of the old ruling families still exists and rule fractions of what was the old empire. 

From The World of Ice & Fire:

Amethyst is a purple-blue color.  This guy, Bu Gai, must have descended from the Amethyst Empress (family) of old. 

From George Martin: (not an exact quote)

From Quaithe:

From Daenerys and Quaithe:

From The World of Ice & Fire:

No people in their right mind would build with this stone in a place like this.  Unless it wasn't like this when it was built.  Asshai must have been normal in the past.  Something happened to corrupt the very stone of the city itself and contaminate the land around it.  Perhaps this is the after effects of the long night.

I know.  Whew that was long.  But I hope you will agree with me.  It is important for Daenerys Targaryen to learn this truth to avoid a repeat of what happened in this part of the world.  The Amethyst Empress was not an individual but a political faction and family branch.  The Red was also a political faction.  Much like the Tigers and the Elephants in the free cities today.  The blood betrayal caused a political and social divide.  The empire could no longer properly defend its borders because they were divided.  Daenerys assumed Asshai but Quaithe probably meant Yin.  Lightbringer's role is to restore and to rebuild after the end of the long night.  It is easier to accept Lightbringer being glass lanterns to light the world through the long night.  It may even be a weapon because it is sharp.  At least some enable communication.  I don't rule out that there is an actual sword called Lightbringer but an object with multiple uses, weapon, lantern, and telephone, is much more useful.  The Valyrians perhaps didn't know what it was and repurposed the glass objects into communication devices.  The phrase "to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow" mean the long night cannot be stopped nor avoided.  Daenerys will have to live through the darkness before she can again enjoy light and warmth.  Which is fitting because the last title will be A Dream of Spring.  Knowing this truth will help her prepare herself and her people to live through the long night and rebuild afterwards.  The last part is something the previous Azor Ahai was never able to do.

Dany's lightbringer will be the three dragons and the glass candles. Drogo was her Nissa nissa.  Viserys and Rhaego were not enough to resurrect the dragons.  It took the third sacrifice to create her lightbringer.   

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1 hour ago, 867-5309 said:

Dany's lightbringer will be the three dragons and the glass candles. Drogo was her Nissa nissa.  Viserys and Rhaego were not enough to resurrect the dragons.  It took the third sacrifice to create her lightbringer.   

Several questions.

How exactly was Viserys a sacrifice for the dragons, seeing s Drogo was to one to do it?

Where does Mirri fit into this? She burned too, remember?

How about the horse?

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On 2/24/2021 at 6:41 AM, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Several questions.

How exactly was Viserys a sacrifice for the dragons, seeing s Drogo was to one to do it?

Where does Mirri fit into this? She burned too, remember?

How about the horse?

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What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive?

 

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5 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive?

The kind of person that has been abused by said brother, who's brother threatened their unborn child and is trying to destroy the first time she felt free?

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Just now, Alyn Oakenfist said:

The kind of person that has been abused by said brother, who's brother threatened their unborn child and is trying to destroy the first time she felt free?

Is the answer to all that kinslaying?

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Just now, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

Is the answer to all that kinslaying?

She isn't kinslaying. She's just letting Drogo give his just deserts. Put it this way, we don't criticize Jon for executing Janos, so we can't criticize Drogo for killing Viserys. Both cunts had it coming, and signed their own death warrant.

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Just now, Alyn Oakenfist said:

She isn't kinslaying. She's just letting Drogo give his just deserts. Put it this way, we don't criticize Jon for executing Janos, so we can't criticize Drogo for killing Viserys. Both cunts had it coming, and signed their own death warrant.

*Kinslaying by association.

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1 minute ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

*Kinslaying by association.

Veeery different. She didn't do anything, she just accepted that Viserys had signed his own death warrant and he deserved what he got, and she's right

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1 minute ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Veeery different. She didn't do anything, she just accepted that Viserys had signed his own death warrant and he deserved what he got, and she's right

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If he is not a kinslayer, he is the next best thing. Axell Florent's brother had been burned by Melisandre, Maester Aemon had informed him, yet Ser Axell had done little and less to stop it. What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive?

 

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There are degrees in kinslaying, as in anything else. Fighting a battle in which a brother dies might be frowned upon, but killing him with your own hand would be considered far worse.

https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Kinslaying_in_Westeros

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2 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:
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If he is not a kinslayer, he is the next best thing. Axell Florent's brother had been burned by Melisandre, Maester Aemon had informed him, yet Ser Axell had done little and less to stop it. What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive?

 

Did Axel's brother abuse him for all his live and threatened both her live and the live of her unborn child?

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Just now, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Did Axel's brother abuse him for all his live and threatened both her live and the live of her unborn child?

Is Roose excused if he kills Ramsey for killing Domeric?

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1 minute ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

Is Roose excused if he kills Ramsey for killing Domeric?

No. He'd get mutters and probably fuck his succession, but it'd be just justice.

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19 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

No. He'd get mutters and probably fuck his succession, but it'd be just justice.

If a father isn’t excused to kill his son’s killer Dany isn'tt either.

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3 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

If a father isn’t excused to kill his son’s killer Dany isn'tt either.

Who said he wasn't excused? Look, I know you're not a Dany fan, and the current day landscape fo this forum can make that easier, but of all of Dany's faults, leaving Viserys to die isn't one.

Viserys broke the one rule in Vaes Dothrak, and then doubled down by holding Dany and her child at sword point. There was only one thing Drogo could do about that, and Dany knew it.

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