Fragile Bird Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Twenty-three new cases in New Brunswick today... I think the Atlantic bubble may have just burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyria Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/21/2020 at 3:19 PM, Fragile Bird said: Twenty-three new cases in New Brunswick today... I think the Atlantic bubble may have just burst. Yup, the bubble did burst. Nfld and PEI pulling out of the bubble for two weeks. We're up to 44 cases now in NS. It's scary how fast it spread from just a few people who caught it while travelling outside the bubble and either them not isolating or those living with them not isolating. Bah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tyria said: Yup, the bubble did burst. Nfld and PEI pulling out of the bubble for two weeks. We're up to 44 cases now in NS. It's scary how fast it spread from just a few people who caught it while travelling outside the bubble and either them not isolating or those living with them not isolating. Bah. And more cases in the Atlantic provinces today. I just looked at my paper record of daily numbers, and you know what? There hasn't been a new case-free day in the Atlantic bubble since Sept. 26. It was mainly NB that reported cases every single day, with occasional cases in other provinces, but that changed Nov. 4, when every day but one NB plus other provinces reported cases. Sounds like everyone had Thanksgiving and said, hell man, we've done it! And guards dropped. Really, really shocking to me was yesterday's number out of AB - 1584, with a population of only 4.4 M, beating numbers in the ON (14.6 M and 1534 cases) and PQ (8.5 M and 1154 cases). And still the province won't take stronger measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Really, really shocking to me was yesterday's number out of AB - 1584, with a population of only 4.4 M, beating numbers in the ON (14.6 M and 1534 cases) and PQ (8.5 M and 1154 cases). And still the province won't take stronger measures. TBH I think Manitoba is even worse and more shocking. Nearly 300 in hospital and 50 in ICU. That's comparable to AB, despite MB having a much smaller population. On Quebec and Ontario, I think I said a few weeks ago that so far their second waves have been much more mild. That analysis stands, with ON reporting around 10-15 deaths / day now compared to 30-50 in the spring. Quebec is at 20-30 / day compared to 50-100 in the spring. Unfortunately, the Prairies and BC are having far more severe second waves, which is making Canada as a whole look similar to earlier in the year. Silver lining (you guys know I'm always looking for these): the current EU wave has been far larger and deadlier than Canada's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Paxter said: TBH I think Manitoba is even worse and more shocking. Nearly 300 in hospital and 50 in ICU. That's comparable to AB, despite MB having a much smaller population. Manitoba shares border with North Dakota, the state that is truly doing herd immunity, with the highest number of positives and infections per capita in the world, with a very small population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Zorral said: Manitoba shares border with North Dakota, the state that is truly doing herd immunity, with the highest number of positives and infections per capita in the world, with a very small population. Haha I usually partner MB in my mind with Minnesota more than North Dakota...this time they are channeling their red state neighbours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 The Peace Gardens are on the shared Manitoba - North Dakota border. Canada's closed to USians is probably wreaking havoc with a lot people who have expensive medications, that they are used to crossing borders to Canada (and Mexico) to buy less expensively. And in the meantime the US post office is still entirely screwed up, particularly here in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I just saw Doug Ford's response to the Auditor's report on the Covid response. Whine, whine, whine about how unfair it was. 'We worked so hard and sooo loong!' Some one really should break the news about working smarter, not harder one of these days. But then Dougie was never much for brains anyway. And then comes the news story about a family, who work for the government, stealing 11 million dollars from the Ontario Covid relief funds. 'Great job, Dougie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 13 hours ago, maarsen said: I just saw Doug Ford's response to the Auditor's report on the Covid response. Whine, whine, whine about how unfair it was. 'We worked so hard and sooo loong!' Some one really should break the news about working smarter, not harder one of these days. But then Dougie was never much for brains anyway. And then comes the news story about a family, who work for the government, stealing 11 million dollars from the Ontario Covid relief funds. 'Great job, Dougie." It amazes me that 4 members of the same family held jobs in the IT department. This has been a long-standing issue, decades long, with the hiring practices of the Ontario government. Get a job in the government and all of a sudden your brothers, sisters , your children, your cousins, all find it easier to get a job. Or work on the election campaign of an MPP. I guess every province has the same issue, but it's galling in a big province like Ontario. I understand that happens in PEI and NB and other small provinces, but with 14.5 M people surely we can hire people unrelated to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Back in a positive frame of mind...Ontario and Quebec have stabilized the number of active cases in the last 10 days (QC's has actually fallen). Hopefully they start falling soon as recoveries take effect and less new cases materialize to replace them. Western Canada and the Prairies...no joy yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Update Nov. 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 BC 762 538 516 913 626 594 941 AB 730 1105 1155 1336 1584 1549 1115 SK 132 98 153 439 236 235 175 MB 400 475 438 387 243 543 476 ON 1417 1210 1418 1588 1534 1589 1009 PQ 1179 1207 1259 1189 1154 1164 1124 Atl-4 14 5 17 36 20 29 44 North 10 5 13 25 21 10 10 Total 4644 4643 4967 5713 5418 5713 4894 I had so much to say over the week, but I think I've forgotten most of it. Let's see, that record day in Ontario was actually a mistake, apparently they usually release numbers in a set 24 hour period and by mistake someone went outside the time, so there were fewer cases on the 23rd and more on the 24th, for what it's worth. Quebec this time around is doing better than Ontario, but I think stronger rules were put in place earlier. I looked at the numbers earlier this week, the record 5713 on the 21st, and it took more than a month, 30 days, to double the number of daily cases. We hit 2,786 on Oct. 22 and hit 5,713 on Nov. 21. On Oct. 25 we hit 3,010 cases, let's see when (if?) we hit 6,020. In terms of total cases, we had 347,466 total cases as of yesterday, and half that total, 173,123 on Oct. 7, 49 days ago. I always look at the States, mainly because we are so close, and it took them longer to double the total, Sept. 5 they had 6,569,109, hitting 13,138,219 yesterday (Worldometer numbers). I think I pointed out in an earlier post, maybe in the Covid thread, that our case growth was almost 70% while US cases grew at about 50% since mid September. Of course, we had a much lower base. eta They doubled daily cases in a bit more than two weeks, 82,066 on Oct. 28 and 188,185 on Nov.13. Hopefully cases don't double again. Alberta finally put in stronger measures this week, but holy hell, casinos are still open! Someone was recording all task force meetings in Alberta and released tapes to the CBC and it seems pretty clear Kenney ignored medical advice because, like Trump, he thought keeping the economy open was more important. And now, of course, Conservatives are attacking Trudeau because he didn't negotiate Canada standing at the front of the line to receive vaccine doses! Like, guys, every country producing vaccines locked up the first millions of vaccines for their own countries. But no, it's Canada's fault that no pharma company in Canada has produced a vaccine and the ones who have won't manufacture some here. We are in the top five in line to get vaccine doses, but that's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: And now, of course, Conservatives are attacking Trudeau because he didn't negotiate Canada standing at the front of the line to receive vaccine doses! Like, guys, every country producing vaccines locked up the first millions of vaccines for their own countries. But no, it's Canada's fault that no pharma company in Canada has produced a vaccine and the ones who have won't manufacture some here. We are in the top five in line to get vaccine doses, but that's not good enough. Yeah vaccine availability is going to be an interesting one. Australia is rooting for the AstraZeneca vaccine as it will be manufactured on its shores...but there are no guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Quote But no, it's Canada's fault that no pharma company in Canada has produced a vaccine and the ones who have won't manufacture some here. It's not Canada's fault, it the conservatives fault. They significantly damaged our biomedical industry (amongst others), of course now the conservatives want to blame the current government for not fixing everything the cons broke. Seriously "they've had five years why didn't Justin Trudeau rebuild Canada vaccine manufacturing capacity" is an argument I've actually seen made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, TrueMetis said: It's not Canada's fault, it the conservatives fault. They significantly damaged our biomedical industry (amongst others), of course now the conservatives want to blame the current government for not fixing everything the cons broke. Seriously "they've had five years why didn't Justin Trudeau rebuild Canada vaccine manufacturing capacity" is an argument I've actually seen made. So much happened under the Cons I can’t keep track of it all. What did they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said: So much happened under the Cons I can’t keep track of it all. What did they do? I had a co- worker who worked at a pharmacy company. Under Harper all the drug manufacture moved to India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Reptitious Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, maarsen said: I had a co- worker who worked at a pharmacy company. Under Harper all the drug manufacture moved to India. They probably didn’t produce enough oil to make it worth keeping them around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, maarsen said: I had a co- worker who worked at a pharmacy company. Under Harper all the drug manufacture moved to India. And that was the second round, the Mulroney government privatized Connaught Labs in the 80's. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html Privatization is a bane on healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I caught some of Power & Politics tonight and the consensus is that the attacks on the vaccine delivery are all about deflecting criticism away from Conservative premiers who are under attack for their lousy response to Covid-19. And it wasn't exactly rocket science to figure out that vaccines were going to be delivered first in the countries producing the vaccines. Conservatives are prectically demanding vaccine doses be delivered to Alberta on Dec. 15. And I heard the comment made by that (unflattering description) Michelle Rempel, mouthy little thing that she is, saying vaccine won't be delivered until 2030. Honestly, what a first class bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 She is somehow the fucking shadow minister of health. It's all the same group of idiots, but are they even more brazen in their idiocy recently? Or am I just more aware of how breathtakingly incompetent these people are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 hours ago, TrueMetis said: She is somehow the fucking shadow minister of health. It's all the same group of idiots, but are they even more brazen in their idiocy recently? Or am I just more aware of how breathtakingly incompetent these people are? Whenever we have a crisis, that is when you see people, and leaders, as they truly are. Do they stand up and actually try to solve the problem or do they continue to do what they always do? The heat that melts the butter hardens the steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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