Agnessa Schizoid Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 8:09 PM, Hrulj said: Is it the women or the blood and titles they bear Dany and Viserys had same blood and titles. And yet... In general, majority of important characters in the books are nobleborn. it stands to reason - few baseborn folks would be able to read or hold any influence. Davos is one of exceptions, from women, one can think of Willow, Ellaria Sand, Arya - sure, she's noble, but her fits are mostly of cunning and physical bravery, and her strength of character is all of her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Cross Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 12 hours ago, R2D said: Visenya Targaryen, even though she was evil. She was ruthless but she saved the Targaryens from the Faith. She used brutality to fight the brutes. The woman was in her 7th decade when she rode her dragon to bring Maegor back. That's a tough old bird for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a black swan Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 On 5/7/2020 at 2:41 AM, Princess Daenerys said: Daenerys Targaryen, Sansa Stark, and Sarella Sand. I believe Alleras = Sarella. I admire a lot of the qualities of these girls. They have not crumbled under pressure. Cersei, Mellissandre, Val, and Cat are strong too but I am not so much interested in them. Daenerys and Sansa are very good at coping. Sansa gets criticized often for spending too much time in daydream. Too much time away from reality is not helpful when trying to solve a problem. It doesn't get any work done. But it saved Sansa's life. We should not forget, she is a prisoner and the Lannisters can take her ilfe at any moment. This coping mechanism, escaping in her fantasy world, saved her life. It allows her to endure captivity. She has a little of George Martin's childhood trapped in New Jersey watching the ships coming and leaving port. Daenerys does it even better. Khaleesi looks for a way out of the predicament because she has very good problem-solving skills. Daenerys took an awful situation and turned it into a step ladder to power. She decides her own course. Dothraki customs be damned, she is not going to Vaes Dothrak! I love Daenerys because her strength and intelligence are at the top. I don't think Sansa is smart but she's not dumb either. She is what you might call the average girl. She makes the best of the situation and escapes back in her make believe world of songs and romance to survive. I also don't think everybody has to change the world and make a big splash. Sansa will survive Petyr Baelish and find her own independence. I believe independence is the end game of Sansa's story. Becoming stronger and learning how to live without a man is power for a woman. Perhaps she finds herself entering the order of the Septas. Sarella is the best at disguise. I am saying she betters Varys and Mance. She doesn't accept the traditional woman's place and I love that about her. She better be really good because Sam Tarly will need a protector. Capable fighter in addition to being a scholar. Twice what Sam is. She has to possess a lot of discipline in order to maintain her deception. I am glad this girl is on the same side with Marwyn. Meera Reed is also strong. I want to see how she copes with Jojen's death and Bran's future advances. Galazza Galare is very strong and the likely Harpy. I do not think Tyrion can out smart her. You make no mention of Arya, just curious as to what you think of her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U. B. Cool Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Our author has suffered in the hands of women. He could take his anger out on these women. I hope not. I just hope the author is a bigger person than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontius Pilate Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I would be disappointed in Mr. Martin if he used his novels to get even with the gender who have wronged him in the past. I do not think he will do that. On 5/28/2020 at 1:03 AM, U. B. Cool said: Our author has suffered in the hands of women. He could take his anger out on these women. I hope not. I just hope the author is a bigger person than that. On 5/21/2020 at 5:45 PM, Agnessa Schizoid said: Dany and Viserys had same blood and titles. And yet... In general, majority of important characters in the books are nobleborn. it stands to reason - few baseborn folks would be able to read or hold any influence. Davos is one of exceptions, from women, one can think of Willow, Ellaria Sand, Arya - sure, she's noble, but her fits are mostly of cunning and physical bravery, and her strength of character is all of her own. Most of the point of view characters are considered well-educated by the standards of their time. Very few are literate in that world. The luxury of having been taught to read as well as the experience of travel are open only to a few. Still it does not take away from their accomplishments. Dany's accomplishments are magnificent achievements by any standards. Viserys might have been a different person if he had not had to suffer the humiliations. Power can corrupt but so can the lack of power. Like the sayings about money. It is not having money that corrupts but rather the lack of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Daenerys Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/16/2020 at 4:07 PM, Elegant Woes said: Sansa is hardly average. Her understanding of language and her social skills is something a late teen or even someone in their early twenties would have, not an 11-13 year old child. On top of that she's also skilled in sewing, dancing, singing, writing poetry, playing two instruments and has an encyclopedic knowledge on heraldry. Can you imagine the amount of hard work, dedication and intelligence that is required for this? Sansa is basically a Westerosi equivalent of a Straight "A" student. Sansa easily has a well above average intelligence. I hope you don't see this comment as a slight and nor do I want to turn this thread into yet another Sansa thread. I am only sharing my thoughts on your comment. That's all. She is average at best. She's not good in math. On 5/7/2020 at 7:19 PM, Jay21 said: I'm very interested to see Val in TWOW, moreso than LSH or even Dany (Dany's probably related to TV pollution. I have enjoyed her character from the outset, but now I more accept than anticipate the fulfillment of her tale). Though she certainly has something which she equates with strength, Cercei to me is really the only significant female character I would consider 'weak'. Have to conclude with Falyse I guess, because even though she was a weak character in Feast and Dance, I can't help but think that if we see her again in Winds she may be somewhat Stronger. She's an alcoholic and has turned to wine to cope. You may be right about Cersei. On 5/8/2020 at 12:35 AM, Big P said: The Targaryen women are strong. It is too bad we never got to know Queen Rhaella. They are. I would like to have some more information on Rhaella too. On 5/13/2020 at 5:40 AM, Hrulj said: How many of them are powerful without their dynasty and name? Any non noble strongwomen? A point of view is more interesting coming from a person with education and some worldly experience. Plebeians rarely get the opportunity to travel. A view point from someone who has been stuck in one location is not going to be much. Look to Missandei for non noble. She was forced into slavery. She used her intelligence to make herself valuable and earned the attention of Princess Daenerys. On 5/22/2020 at 7:21 AM, a black swan said: You make no mention of Arya, just curious as to what you think of her? I just don't think Arya is mentally or emotionally healthy. She's not coping. She's broken and dealing with problems in a nonconstructive way. I am no fan of the girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/28/2020 at 6:03 AM, U. B. Cool said: Our author has suffered in the hands of women. He could take his anger out on these women. I hope not. I just hope the author is a bigger person than that. Um... no. GRRM has not 'suffered in the hands of women', he's anything but angry at women, and the whole post is just... waaaay out there. He is noted as writing women well, though certainly there can be legitimate criticisms: but the suggestion that he is in some way angry at women is wild, unsupported stuff. Might give him a chuckle, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Daenerys Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 11:05 PM, Sire de Maletroit said: She was ruthless but she saved the Targaryens from the Faith. She used brutality to fight the brutes. The woman was in her 7th decade when she rode her dragon to bring Maegor back. That's a tough old bird for you. very tough lady She handled the Arryns with finesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 1:35 AM, Big P said: The Targaryen women are strong. It is too bad we never got to know Queen Rhaella. Women in general in Westeros are strong, especially in the nobility, even nutcases like Selyse are strong willed. If i had to pick my fav that'd be Meria Martell. The one who defeated a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300 H&H Magnum Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 There are women outside the boundaries of civilization are strong too. Among the Wildlings for example. Even the ones in male-dominated civilizations show strength as in the case of the Dosh Khaleen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegant Woes Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 @Princess Daenerys Since when can intelligence only be measured by how good and bad you are in math? Besides Sansa being bad at sums is largely overblown. In AFFC she was the acting lady of the Eyrie and doing a fine job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini's Neville Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Princess Daenerys said: She is average at best. She's not good in math. Oh, so people who aren't good at math can't have above average intelligence then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Gender traps some of these women. Poverty trapped the author in his New Jersey city. Escape through books and imagination helped his mind escape his limitation. I can see him being sympathetic towards the end. Alleras is remarkable to carry out her disguise. She might get to forge a few links or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willam Stark Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 What do you mean by "strong" ? Fighting skills ? Managing skills ? Social skills ? Pretty blurry subject imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big P Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Visenya ranks highly in any list of strong women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 1:29 AM, Finley McLeod said: Bran's hormones will get the better of him and create tension in that cave. I would have liked Sarella to accompany Marwyn. Alas the mastiff lacks a bodyguard to watch his back. DON'T SAY THAT. I don't want to read Hodor to molest or vioalte Meera on Bran's command. *cries* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini's Neville Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, BlackLightning said: DON'T SAY THAT. I don't want to read Hodor to molest or vioalte Meera on Bran's command. *cries* Bran is a 10 year old boy with a good heart. Why would he molest a girl he admires, who has done so much for him and he has a crush on like kids use to have. Did Robb, Jon and Ned ever walk around molesting women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Nagini's Neville said: Bran is a 10 year old boy with a good heart. Why would he molest a girl he admires, who has done so much for him and he has a crush on like kids use to have. Did Robb, Jon and Ned ever walk around molesting women? No not at all. I'm not the one you need to address; I don't want it to happen! Take it up with @Finley McLeod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Nagini's Neville said: Bran is a 10 year old boy with a good heart. Why would he molest a girl he admires, who has done so much for him and he has a crush on like kids use to have. Did Robb, Jon and Ned ever walk around molesting women? His testosterone might overcome his morals. Assuming his testicles are still making them. His feelings are working. Either of those could make him do something bad. The temptation to "wear" Hodor as his crutch will increase. Those men did not molest women. Robb and Jon are oathbreakers and traitors though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley McLeod Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 5:09 PM, BlackLightning said: DON'T SAY THAT. I don't want to read Hodor to molest or vioalte Meera on Bran's command. *cries* Bran is already following her around. In Hodor's skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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