Angel Eyes Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 So when Tyrion demands a trial by combat and Lysa is trying to get rid of him because he’s a suspect in Jon Arryn’s murder, why does Lysa choose Vardis Egen, a third-rate knight that gets easily killed by Tyrion's champion Bronn? Why not choose someone who could and would make mincemeat of Bronn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 The job looked easy enough. An imp and his champion against the knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Vardis Egan was Lysa's captain of guards and a reasonably capable fighter. However, he was using a borrowed sword instead of his own, which probably hurt his ability. Also, nobody took Bronn seriously except Catelyn, who had seen him fight, but her opinion didn't really count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: So when Tyrion demands a trial by combat and Lysa is trying to get rid of him because he’s a suspect in Jon Arryn’s murder, why does Lysa choose Vardis Egen, a third-rate knight that gets easily killed by Tyrion's champion Bronn? Why not choose someone who could and would make mincemeat of Bronn? Egen was getting old, fought honorably and was dresses for major combat. Bronn did not stand for a straight fight and he wore far lighter clothes. To quote Jorah on that kind of thing: “Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaegar died.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot_Of_The_King Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Nevets said: Vardis Egan was Lysa's captain of guards and a reasonably capable fighter. However, he was using a borrowed sword instead of his own, which probably hurt his ability. Also, nobody took Bronn seriously except Catelyn, who had seen him fight, but her opinion didn't really count. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Tsarevich Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Tyrion only claims a champion and Bronn volunteers after Lysa names Ser Vardis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbergkvist Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Lysa thought she lived in a realistic universe where heavy armor is significantly better than light armor, as opposed to a universe influenced by Dungeons and Dragons logic where weapons are more balanced so that nobody can get an "unfair" advantage. Also note that Ser Vardis armor got buckled due to Bronn's sword cuts, which would not happen in real life as swords are not heavy enough for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 16 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: So when Tyrion demands a trial by combat and Lysa is trying to get rid of him because he’s a suspect in Jon Arryn’s murder, why does Lysa choose Vardis Egen, a third-rate knight that gets easily killed by Tyrion's champion Bronn? Why not choose someone who could and would make mincemeat of Bronn? Like others have said, VE was no slouch. And remember, he was chosen when it looked like Tyrion would not have a champion. After Jaime was denied, Bronn stepped in at the last minute. But there may have been more to this than meets the eye: It would have been very bad for Littlefinger if Lysa had killed Tyrion. He could forget about keeping the Vale out of the war, and that is LF's base of operations. So I can't help but think that Bronn was an LF plant all along (at least at that time), and LF got word to him (through Coleman, most likely **recall that Coleman was rather unsettled the morning of the TBC**), not to let Lysa kill Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 10:25 AM, dbergkvist said: Lysa thought she lived in a realistic universe where heavy armor is significantly better than light armor, as opposed to a universe influenced by Dungeons and Dragons logic where weapons are more balanced so that nobody can get an "unfair" advantage. Also note that Ser Vardis armor got buckled due to Bronn's sword cuts, which would not happen in real life as swords are not heavy enough for that. And here I was, thinking that GRRM was trying to be realistic (minus dragons and white walkers), since that’s his goal with deconstructing the fantasy genre, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 On 5/10/2020 at 9:43 PM, Nevets said: Vardis Egan was Lysa's captain of guards and a reasonably capable fighter. However, he was using a borrowed sword instead of his own, which probably hurt his ability. Also, nobody took Bronn seriously except Catelyn, who had seen him fight, but her opinion didn't really count. Not merely a "borrowed" sword, but a ceremonial one that wasn't really intended for combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 It's not like Bronn won the fight by displaying amazing skills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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