U.S. Politics: Self Medicating

[DMC]

Heh...

Even without Trump's opposition, Sessions would still probably lose the primary runoff to a football coach.  Because ALABAMA!

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

14 minutes ago, DMC said:

Heh...

Even without Trump's opposition, Sessions would still probably lose the primary runoff to a football coach.  Because ALABAMA!

Saban should just run for Emperor God King in that state if this happens.

Hopefully Tuberville wins and Bama fans refuse to vote for him. That could honestly be Jones' best hope. 

[DMC]

1 hour ago, DanteGabriel said:

I suspect mcbigski is making reference to the dead people that allegedly voted for Kennedy in 1960?

Yeah now that I woke up and showered I realize he's referring to the fantasy of "voter fraud."  I like how even Florida investigators debunked this absurd conspiracy theory.  It's also interesting how no-excuse absentee voting all of a sudden constitutes voter fraud when even before covid only 18 states didn't have it.  The 32 others - red, blue and purple - must've somehow been in the bag for the Dems for decades.

The only way to discern Trump Republicans and raving homeless guys at this point is by a poorly tailored suit and oversized tie.

[Guest]

Trump golfs while almost 100,000 Americans have died. Brings to mind Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

That'll be his legacy 2,000 years from now, if humans somehow manage to make it that long.

[Martell Spy]

12 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said:

Trump golfs while almost 100,000 Americans have died. Brings to mind Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

That'll be his legacy 2,000 years from now, if humans somehow manage to make it that long.

Oh, good. That just means he solved the pandemic crisis.

[Guest]

I'm starting to get sick of all the anti-telecommuting articles telling the plebes to not get too comfy working at home.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

59 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said:

Trump golfs while almost 100,000 Americans have died. Brings to mind Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

That'll be his legacy 2,000 years from now, if humans somehow manage to make it that long.

That was fake news tho. The Nero fiddling bit, I mean. He was out of town when the fires started, so he did not swagger thru the burning streets making music to the screams of dying citizens. That rumor was started by political rivals, and was continued to further tarnish his political legacy (and was a few laters picked up by Hollywood, because it made a good story).

Twitler playing golf over the background noise of the dying coughs of his population. Well, let's just say, I'd pick Nero over him any day of the week.

[Mexal]

1 hour ago, The Great Unwashed said:

Trump golfs while almost 100,000 Americans have died. Brings to mind Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

That'll be his legacy 2,000 years from now, if humans somehow manage to make it that long.

I'd rather he golfs than actually govern. 

[Fury Resurrected]

4 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

This wasn't on the chat rooms that White Wolf hosted themselves, was it? I used to spend a lot of time there, in the Mage and Changeling rooms.

As for celebrity encounters, tipping off Hunter S. Thompson to the fact that a porn convention was going on a couple of miles away, and then him asking me to give directions to Johnny Depp, was probably my best one.

No, I played in MSN chatrooms way back in the day and still keep in touch with my core group.  I only believed it was true because she had the same last name and also he was only on Breaker High at the time. She did show us family reunion pictures they were both in.

[Zorral]

4 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Don't be such a fool. The states you name were the worst hit and needed the beds. On top of that, the assumption was you weren't infectious after a certain period of time and it was safe to do so. Florida never ran out of hospital beds, but also doubt has been cast on some of their numbers.

It's amazing to me how the Republican talking point is now "Yes we issued all these guidelines but we expect you to ignore them."

Florida was a crony state that received enormous amounts of federal aid from PPE and funding and medical supplies of all kinds,including ventilators,  from their dearest resident, deathcultchief -- while NY, etc. got NOTHING -- and were additionally accused by Florida in particular of STEALING ALL ITS MEDICAL SUPPLIES>

 

[mcbigski]

8 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Don't be such a fool. The states you name were the worst hit and needed the beds. On top of that, the assumption was you weren't infectious after a certain period of time and it was safe to do so. Florida never ran out of hospital beds, but also doubt has been cast on some of their numbers.

It's amazing to me how the Republican talking point is now "Yes we issued all these guidelines but we expect you to ignore them."

NYC never filled up Javitts Center or the Navy hospital ship.  They had enough beds without a doubt.  Granted the news kept showing the same footage from overwhelmed Italian hospitals but New York, while the most stressed in the US still had capacity.  The most charitable thing you can say is they fucked up their triage calls.  I dont actually think they intentionally infected the elderly to harvest more votes but its interesting that it's all D govs making the same wrong call.

[DMC]

1 hour ago, mcbigski said:

I dont actually think they intentionally infected the elderly to harvest more votes but its interesting that it's all D govs making the same wrong call.

I don't actually think you intentionally are infected with right-wing bullshit, but it's interesting that you can't take off partisan blinders long enough to realize "D govs" are doing what they are in the interest of their own people.  Seriously, this conspiracy theory is uniquely stupid.  Most other ones you can at least identify a motive.  What's the governors' motive?  Holding up their own economy?  Getting elected in a low turnout environment?  These premises are ludicrous on their face.  If you have something better I'm all ears.

[Zorral]

The hospital ship would only take cases that weren't covid.  To qualify to get on that ship the ill person had to go to a public hospital filled with covid patients and get a certificate that what was assailing the person wasn't covid.  bigjerk as usual just out and out lied by partisan-blackmail-corruption omission (which the both protestant and Roman churches maintain to be a sin) just as he did about why Florida is doing so gdded well. As well as the Javits Center not getting anyone -- that's not true either.  

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/14/with-empty-beds-at-the-javits-center-and-on-the-comfort-uniformed-health-workers-are-going-straight-into-nyc-hospitals/

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/05/11/army-hospital-centers-in-new-york-head-home-as-covid-19-missions-wane/

But it is all pretty damned murky because, of course neither the city nor the state had any control over any aspect of either the ship or the Javits Center.  This story is repeated across the country in places that were supposedly getting military help -- and then, actually, not really, did not.  For political and personal reasons that deathcultchief & corrupt cohorts are more than happy to twit about.  Blue? Dem? You get shyte.

[mcbigski]

17 minutes ago, Zorral said:

The hospital ship would only take cases that weren't covid.  To qualify to get on that ship the ill person had to go to a public hospital filled with covid patients and get a certificate that what was assailing the person wasn't covid.  bigjerk as usual just out and out lied by partisan-blackmail-corruption omission (which the both protestant and Roman churches maintain to be a sin) just as he did about why Florida is doing so gdded well. As well as the Javits Center not getting anyone -- that's not true either.

Cant remember if it was the Mercy or the Comfort that ended up in New York.  Either way they were originally going to be non Covid overflow but that changed after a week or two.  So your point is invalid and mine is entirely correct.  Likewise I did not say the Javits center had no patients i said they were not overwhelmed.  So your point is invalid and mine is again entirely correct.

Perhaps you should considering broadening your media consumption?

[Kalbear]

New York absolutely mishandled things. They didn't react fast enough, and then probably overreacted to compensate. Overreaction is probably not a bad thing overall, honestly, but it doesn't work out super well.

Seattle also did for that matter - they had an emergency setup that ended up not being used. But it was also the right thing to do, because we still didn't have a handle on the growth of the pandemic and based on projections we may have ended up needing those things, especially if the lockdown didn't work out as well. 

I don't really understand the idea of D vs R governors here whatsoever, mostly because as far as I can tell the worst outbreaks were also in places with the most density, and therefore also had the most likely chance of having D governors. I mean, hell @mcbigski - why aren't you talking about Alabama now, which is actually running out of ICU beds right now? That's a significantly worse failing than anything that New York or Washington did, right?

[S John]

38 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I don't really understand the idea of D vs R governors here whatsoever, mostly because as far as I can tell the worst outbreaks were also in places with the most density, and therefore also had the most likely chance of having D governors. I mean, hell @mcbigski - why aren't you talking about Alabama now, which is actually running out of ICU beds right now? That's a significantly worse failing than anything that New York or Washington did, right?

D vs R governors is the narrative that Trump wanted and set up himself when he punted to the governors and then immediately began attack the Dem governors.

Its likely he calculated what you just pointed out, which is that the places with the highest population density will have the most persistent issues with Covid and those places tend to have Democrats in charge. There’s been a long running narrative on the right that places run by democrats are all mismanaged shitholes (high crime examples like Detroit, Baltimore, and Chicago are faves - they generally leave out places like Seattle and Austin) and Trump trying to dunk on D governors even if it doesn’t make much sense when parsed out logically is just part of a well established tale that would be familiar to any consumer of right wing media.  

And if he’s wrong and R governed cities and states start having outbreaks, so what?  He’s already scored his point and we all know Trump isn’t going to be held to account by his voters over a potshot at liberals, even if he ultimately missed the mark.  

[mcbigski]

Havent heard about AL yet. Inclined to wait a few days for the whole story.  

Considering:

1. Everyone in WI got infected so we need vote by mail

2. Georgia is an experiment in human sacrifice.

3.  Putin wanted Trump to win in '16.

4. Don Jr is about to get nailed for treason.

5.  kavanaugh related horseshit.

6.  Trump is pushing hydrochloroquine because he owns $200 worth (in a mutual fund) of a drug company.

7.  The pee dossier.

8.  The fucking gorilla channel.  Are there that many credulous fuck heads out there?

I could easily go to at least the mid thirties but its past my bed time.  Unless promoting partisan Democrat agenda is your only concern, leaving out dated things like truth, fairness, impartiality, curiousity, and free thinking on the trash heap, corporate media is total garbage.  I get that sadly none of those are disqualifying for a bunch of the most frequent posters here.

And to be fair, I always thought whoever that 'feminist' was who said regardless she'd blow Bill Clinton just for keeping abortion legal was kind of nutty.  But if Grennell stayed as acting DNI longer and kept up declassifying I'd have similar thoughts myself.  No surprise the Senate didn't drag their feet for once on appointing a replacement.

[A True Kaniggit]

10 minutes ago, mcbigski said:

Havent heard about AL yet. Inclined to wait a few days for the whole story.  

Considering:

1. Everyone in WI got infected so we need vote by mail

2. Georgia is an experiment in human sacrifice.

3.  Putin wanted Trump to win in '16.

4. Don Jr is about to get nailed for treason.

5.  kavanaugh related horseshit.

6.  Trump is pushing hydrochloroquine because he owns $200 worth (in a mutual fund) of a drug company.

7.  The pee dossier.

8.  The fucking gorilla channel.  Are there that many credulous fuck heads out there?

I could easily go to at least the mid thirties but its past my bed time.  Unless promoting partisan Democrat agenda is your only concern, leaving out dated things like truth, fairness, impartiality, curiousity, and free thinking on the trash heap, corporate media is total garbage.  I get that sadly none of those are disqualifying for a bunch of the most frequent posters here.

And to be fair, I always thought whoever that 'feminist' was who said regardless she'd blow Bill Clinton just for keeping abortion legal was kind of nutty.  But if Grennell stayed as acting DNI longer and kept up declassifying I'd have similar thoughts myself.  No surprise the Senate didn't drag their feet for once on appointing a replacement.

This may sound weird coming from me.

But how much alcohol have you drank tonight? I'm thinking a little too much.

[Darth Richard II]

8 minutes ago, A True Kaniggit said:

This may sound weird coming from me.

But how much alcohol have you drank tonight? I'm thinking a little too much.

Yeah I’m honestly kind of at a loss for words...like you know the feeling when you miss 4-5 pages of a thread but don’t notice?

[Altherion]

2 hours ago, Zorral said:

But it is all pretty damned murky because, of course neither the city nor the state had any control over any aspect of either the ship or the Javits Center.

It's not just the ship and Javits center. There were field hospitals in every borough of New York City built at considerable expense and never used to anywhere near capacity. For example:

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A nearly $21 million field hospital green-lit by the de Blasio administration when coronavirus threatened to overrun local hospitals has opened and shuttered without treating a single patient, officials confirmed to THE CITY.

Mayor Bill de Blasio announced plans on March 31 to transform the temporarily idle Brooklyn Cruise Terminal in Red Hook into a 670-bed makeshift medical site.

And yes, Cuomo is blaming Trump and the CDC and others, but it does not change the fact that he is the one who made the final decision in the case of New York State and a lot of people died because of it -- including an elderly relative of mine who was perfectly fine in the middle of April. This insane order to send sick nursing home residents back to the nursing homes stood well into May, long after there was any chance of the hospitals being overwhelmed.