Pontius Pilate Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Sending messages through dreams require a lot of practice. The message medium is neither written nor verbal. The receiver gets visions. A poorly composed vision will create confusion in the person receiving. The brain is fed something that does not fit with logic. These visions become disturbing thoughts. Most people can block unwanted thoughts. But what if some people have trouble blocking or shaking off unwanted thoughts? The sender keeps intruding in a vain attempt to send the intended message but the receiver has trouble processing. The receiver keeps applying logic to understand but the method keeps failing. People do not communicate this way. It is not natural and create a chemical imbalance in the brain. The stress intensifies and takes its toll on the person. Schizophrenia could start showing up as the dreams continue to hammer at the mind Was Bloodraven trying to communicate with King Aerys? The king's crazy plans does not sound so dumb if he knew about the Others. Building a second wall makes the barrier between humans and the Others stronger. Bringing water to Dorne would make possible farming even after the lands in the middle have frozen. Taking military control of Braavos prevents the bank from calling in the loans when the houses of Westeros can no longer pay. Bloodraven was new to his job when Aerys was king. Just a few mistakes on his part would have driven Aerys nuts. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaya Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 hello Pontius Pilate - i like your neat ideas - i have not thought of how a dream message would be optimized. tough thing for all parties involved. i haven't anything to add as yet, as i'm just thinking on these ideas now - thanks for posting this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 It isn't a bad theory, but it doesn't have to necessarily be Bloodraven. Some Targs have visions all on their own. And time is going out the window so it could (have) be Bran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I think it would detract from the Targaryens if Aerys’ madness was because of Bloodraven blundering around. It undercuts the madness of House Targaryen which they can’t avoid as a price for greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Friend. He's there to help Bran grow from weepy-sapling-babe into the next/last greenseer. Learning to fly in Martinworld of writing means to have societal progress. It's Maris in Windhaven. It's the re-learning of flight after the interregnum (long night in ASOIAF). It's the pilot that teaches Michael Holt to navigate and fly in Stone City. The antithesis is flying war machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Also, Brynden Bloodraven RIvers declined his Targaryen identity. He opted for the watery Rivers instead because "bastards" are what make up the world, and the be a greenseer (a person of the trees) you can't be a fiery dragon (they burn and consume trees), but you need to be "connected" to water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Cross Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Friend who made bad choices. He should have first tried with an intermediary. Aemon was near and should have been his first contact. Prolonged stress combined with lack of sleep. Yeah. It's not good for Aerys. The dreams invaded his thoughts and they were unwelcome. The visions must have been disturbing. He was forced to see his kingdom fall apart and the White Walkers turning his subjects into ice zombies. It's enough to break the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 22 hours ago, Pontius Pilate said: Sending messages through dreams require a lot of practice. The message medium is neither written nor verbal. The receiver gets visions. A poorly composed vision will create confusion in the person receiving. The brain is fed something that does not fit with logic. These visions become disturbing thoughts. Most people can block unwanted thoughts. But what if some people have trouble blocking or shaking off unwanted thoughts? The sender keeps intruding in a vain attempt to send the intended message but the receiver has trouble processing. The receiver keeps applying logic to understand but the method keeps failing. People do not communicate this way. It is not natural and create a chemical imbalance in the brain. The stress intensifies and takes its toll on the person. Schizophrenia could start showing up as the dreams continue to hammer at the mind Was Bloodraven trying to communicate with King Aerys? The king's crazy plans does not sound so dumb if he knew about the Others. Building a second wall makes the barrier between humans and the Others stronger. Bringing water to Dorne would make possible farming even after the lands in the middle have frozen. Taking military control of Braavos prevents the bank from calling in the loans when the houses of Westeros can no longer pay. Bloodraven was new to his job when Aerys was king. Just a few mistakes on his part would have driven Aerys nuts. What do you think? He always worked to defend the realm. He was willing to violate the guest right to protect his family dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalee Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Aerys was emotionally fragile. No problem if he had access to the wonderful medications we have today but could make him lose sleep without them. And he didn't have them. I would think it would drive a person to alcohol. He might refuse to sleep to avoid the dreams which he could not understand. Some of his ancestors had this emotional fragility and their dreams could have drove them to substance abuse. 16 hours ago, chrisdaw said: It isn't a bad theory, but it doesn't have to necessarily be Bloodraven. Some Targs have visions all on their own. And time is going out the window so it could (have) be Bran. Agree here. Anybody communicating from the land of dreams would have had the same effect. The Children had their own greenseers and who is to say it wasn't one of them. Their language is not the common tongue and they could only reach Aerys through dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunnohowtochangenames Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 8:48 PM, James Steller said: I think it would detract from the Targaryens if Aerys’ madness was because of Bloodraven blundering around. It undercuts the madness of House Targaryen which they can’t avoid as a price for greatness. On the other hand, a Cassandra-esqe Targ who only seeks to protect the realm but is ignored (???), misunderstood (Aerys), and whose message is perverted for personal gain (Euron) undercuts nothing, but may strengthen the tragedy of the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U. B. Cool Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 The nightmares drove him mad. You would too if you dream nothing but horror every time you close your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 A person cant keep ruining their own reputation for the realm and expect that to result in a long, healthy reign. He couldnt even get the smallfolk to listen to him because they saw him as a kinslayer (so, Tyrion as Hand again eh?) That said, GRRM does seem to love the conceit of a person who makes big sacrifices that the public never knows about. Jaime, Ned, Bloodraven, Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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