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On 6/1/2020 at 7:06 PM, LynnS said:

Even if he isn't the stone beast, I think this is a likely outcome for Jon.

Jon will be the stone beast.  He was dying when we last read his point of view.  He will have died by TWOW.  Gray in this vision is the color of recent death.  It is the color of flesh that has died recently.  Soiled white as in dirty snow.  He soiled the Night's Watch and he has recently died.  I believe he is the stone beast taking flight.  He is a fake dragon.  To be more specific, Jon is not a true Targaryen but somebody will make an attempt to pass him off as one.  Stone is gray, dirty snow, white that has been soiled, and decaying flesh.  Stone also means hard of heart and a person without pity.  We are first given an example in Stoneheart.  So this beast will set out to destroy.  Which is again Jon.  His last thoughts are "sticking them with the pointy end," which is revenge.  He will come back with getting even on his mind.  Like Cat Stoneheart he will carry out the last thoughts he had right before he died.  The smoking tower is at Winterfell.  It is smoking because he will burn it down.  Of course, Jon is not a dragon.  The fire in this vision will be the product of Mellisandre's special effects learned from the shadowed city of Asshai by the Shadow.  She can create Shadow babies.  Creating Shadow fire should be easy for her.  The stone beast is Jon Snow being passed off as Azor Ahai by Mellisandre. 

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On 6/1/2020 at 2:03 AM, Pressly said:

The vision would have been an iron beast if it was Euron.  We also already have a vision showing an ironborn, the man on the prow of the ship.  It does not make sense to have two ironborns in a row. 

The point of the three visions the Stone Beast is grouped as part of is that they're lies Dany must/will/hopefully slay. Euron is grouped with Jon and Drogo as she is to them a bride of fire. They make complete sense in the context provided. One group is Dany's three big destined enemies, the other group are the men destined to second life her dragon. 

Euron is going to get greyscale, that is why the beast is stone. The Bloodstone Emperor (it is in the name), Nagga's bones (sacred Ironborn dragon, petrified over time and turned grey), Harrenhal (Ironborn stone monstrousity) and so on are his foreshadowing.

The greyscale is for pushing Euron over the edge in blowing his horn. Jon Con is a cautious man and would not have abandoned the plan for Aegon to meet with Dany but for having gotten greyscale. Greyscale is a catalyst for drastic character actions. Euron knows blowing his horn will kill him as it killed Cragorn, and is wavering on if he should or shouldn't take the leap from a great tower and blow his horn or not. Then he will get greyscale.

Urrigon exists as the end Euron rejects, instead of dying pitifully, painfully and slowly as the greyscale encompasses him, as he watched happen to Urri, Euron will take his chances blowing his horn. And when he blows his horn his soul will fly and he will enter Drogon and the result will be the Stone Beast.

And the Stone Beast is a lie for Dany to slay, foreshadowed aplenty. As the Targaryens defeated Harren in Harrenhal, as the Targaryens destroyed Qarlon the Great in his stone maze, as Dany's blood melts away stone when she wakes the dragon.

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She walked faster, and her bare feet left bloody footprints on the stone.

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She raced, her feet melting the stonewherever they touched.

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And now the stone was gone and she flew

Euron wants Dany specifically for her blood, and it is specifically Dany's Targaryen blood that will destroy him.

Euron blows his horn and second lifes Drogon, becoming the stone beast. Dany dies and second lifes the stone beast, becoming a great dragon that will save the world from the Others.

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23 hours ago, Pressly said:

Jon will be the stone beast.  He was dying when we last read his point of view.  He will have died by TWOW.  Gray in this vision is the color of recent death.  It is the color of flesh that has died recently.  Soiled white as in dirty snow.  He soiled the Night's Watch and he has recently died.  I believe he is the stone beast taking flight.  He is a fake dragon.  To be more specific, Jon is not a true Targaryen but somebody will make an attempt to pass him off as one.  Stone is gray, dirty snow, white that has been soiled, and decaying flesh.  Stone also means hard of heart and a person without pity.  We are first given an example in Stoneheart.  So this beast will set out to destroy.  Which is again Jon.  His last thoughts are "sticking them with the pointy end," which is revenge.  He will come back with getting even on his mind.  Like Cat Stoneheart he will carry out the last thoughts he had right before he died.  The smoking tower is at Winterfell.  It is smoking because he will burn it down.  Of course, Jon is not a dragon.  The fire in this vision will be the product of Mellisandre's special effects learned from the shadowed city of Asshai by the Shadow.  She can create Shadow babies.  Creating Shadow fire should be easy for her.  The stone beast is Jon Snow being passed off as Azor Ahai by Mellisandre. 

Jon Snow is connected to the third lie.  And so is the stone beast. 

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On 8/5/2020 at 9:09 PM, chrisdaw said:

The point of the three visions the Stone Beast is grouped as part of is that they're lies Dany must/will/hopefully slay. Euron is grouped with Jon and Drogo as she is to them a bride of fire. They make complete sense in the context provided. One group is Dany's three big destined enemies, the other group are the men destined to second life her dragon. 

Euron is going to get greyscale, that is why the beast is stone. The Bloodstone Emperor (it is in the name), Nagga's bones (sacred Ironborn dragon, petrified over time and turned grey), Harrenhal (Ironborn stone monstrousity) and so on are his foreshadowing.

The greyscale is for pushing Euron over the edge in blowing his horn. Jon Con is a cautious man and would not have abandoned the plan for Aegon to meet with Dany but for having gotten greyscale. Greyscale is a catalyst for drastic character actions. Euron knows blowing his horn will kill him as it killed Cragorn, and is wavering on if he should or shouldn't take the leap from a great tower and blow his horn or not. Then he will get greyscale.

Urrigon exists as the end Euron rejects, instead of dying pitifully, painfully and slowly as the greyscale encompasses him, as he watched happen to Urri, Euron will take his chances blowing his horn. And when he blows his horn his soul will fly and he will enter Drogon and the result will be the Stone Beast.

And the Stone Beast is a lie for Dany to slay, foreshadowed aplenty. As the Targaryens defeated Harren in Harrenhal, as the Targaryens destroyed Qarlon the Great in his stone maze, as Dany's blood melts away stone when she wakes the dragon.

Euron wants Dany specifically for her blood, and it is specifically Dany's Targaryen blood that will destroy him.

Euron blows his horn and second lifes Drogon, becoming the stone beast. Dany dies and second lifes the stone beast, becoming a great dragon that will save the world from the Others.

Sorry, no.  I don't believe the plot will follow your outline. 

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On 8/6/2020 at 5:37 PM, Only 89 selfies today said:

Jon Snow is connected to the third lie.  And so is the stone beast. 

He is and will be slain. 

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On 6/1/2020 at 2:59 PM, Frey family reunion said:

 

I think GRRM is toying with the Jungian idea of the Shadow.  Our darkest impulses buried deep down within, which we try to suppress or disassociate with how we see ourselves.  

Stannis’ Shadow assassins may be an example.  Stannis desire to kill his brother and kill the castellan without danger to himself or his cause, brought to life through Melisandre’s magic.  For Stannis it all seems like some vague dream.  

And then we have Cat.  A fairly fleshed out character with many positive traits, but like all of us, some negative traits as well.  But when she returns as Lady Stoneheart, she encompasses Cat’s negative traits and impulses without Cat’s overall humanity.  My guess is when she is brought back to life, only a portion of her psyche or spirit returns with her: her Shadow.  

So then we turn to Jon.  Once again a pretty good guy who has his share of faults.  Jon’s deepest, forbidden desire is revealed to be his desire for Winterfell.  That’s his forbidden fruit which Stannis tries to tempt him with.  So if Jon does indeed die, and he is brought back, when he does return does his Shadow take over?  Does Jon give in to his temptation for Winterfell.  Does he cast aside the oath he took to the Night’s Watch?  Does he travel t Winterfell only to rescue Arya, or does he also travel there to lay claim to what he may secretly believe was unfairly denied him based on the status of his legitimacy?  

Which is why I keep going back to the idea of Jon as the broken sword.  Looking at another broken sword, Ice, it is broken into two separate swords: Widow’s wail, and Oathkeeper.  

Very nice reasoning, but there are some exceptions. Lord Beric Dondarrion was killed several times, yet he continued to behave in an honorable way. Coldhands is another example.

So the "Shadow" idea doesn't seem to fit all of the facts. But the other part, the "last thing they thought about" idea, still seems to hold. Under Beric, the BWB was still following the orders Ned Stark gave them, even though he and King Robert were long dead, and the politics had shifted so radically, it was hard to know who they should serve.  We don't know what Coldhands was thinking in his last moments of life, but it might have been something about working with the COTF, or just about being a ranger and protecting the Realms of Men.

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12 minutes ago, Aebram said:

Very nice reasoning, but there are some exceptions. Lord Beric Dondarrion was killed several times, yet he continued to behave in an honorable way. Coldhands is another example.

Coldhands is definitely an interesting example.  But we really don't know how he was brought back to life (if indeed he is technically living).

You are certainly right about Beric.  Perhaps it depends on how long you've been dead.  Thoros really didn't want to bring Cat back, he said she was dead too long.  Or it might depend on who brings the person back.  Technically Cat was brought back a little differently than Beric.  Beric sacrificed his life to bring Cat back, Thoros was able to accomplish his feat without sacrifice.

So for Jon, it might depend on how long he's allowed to, err, remain dead.  Or it might depend on who and in what manner he's brought back.

The other thing that I found interesting is why was Beric brought back to life.  Presumably Thoros was giving the "kiss of life" to all of the combatants who were killed.  Only Beric rose.

 

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