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US Politics: Burning Down the Country


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So this whole situation is already complicated and enough of a tinder box already, but the online misinformation wars are starting to heat up. I missed it but there was a big fuss with claims that DC had been cut off from social media, was on fire etc. It included images of explosion/fire in DC from Designated Survivor. If I'm following it right, it was largely K-pop stan accounts (yeah - Korean pop band fans) that were pushing this, so probably primarily bot accounts that are buried in that to look legit.

I'm now seeing reports that the push back on those reports is itself filled with shady shit including real accounts that have been accessed to send tweets like this

It's a whole new world for propaganda wars. If you use Twitter it's a good time to check the apps you've given permission to and your Twitter sessions to make sure it all looks legit. Maybe change your password if you don't have confidence in it.

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13 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

My Mother thinks Trump is wonderful.  We fight about him regularly.

See. My mom doesn't.  I know she doesn't like him.  She's said that.  But she also can't stand the governor of Illinois or any of the politicians there.  In true contradictory fashion, she loathed the Republican governor last time around too, but that may be because she didn't think he did enough to combat Madigan and the rest of the state officials.  She's such a chameleon on things.

Politics in general was never much, nor is still, discussed in my family.  Hell was in my late 30s before I realized my parents were Republicans.  Not entirely sure where they are on the spectrum now, other than my mom keeps tilting at those windmills.

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17 minutes ago, karaddin said:

I feel like any hope that anyone will see justice from the hundreds of clearly illegal acts that police are engaging in is being hopelessly naive.

I don't think so.  At least, I think there are better ways to do it then screaming at cops up to the point they detain you.  The effect of that is only going to harden positions from those that don't agree with you and generate eyerolls from those otherwise indifferent.  Like Ran cited, Flower Power or the Kiev mirror tactic or Ieshia Evans are powerful images that demonstrate why protests are not only warranted but essential.  This has the potential for exact opposite effect.

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On another note of the complexity of everything going on and just how hard it is to stay on top of everything you need to know to parse these online movements spilling into the real world, you have the racist shits using super subtle signaling like this

 

Fragile Bird - the logo you can barely make out is the logo of these "second civil war now" types, but they're also doing shit like adopting the camouflage pattern of a highly racist southern African state to signal their racism. We really need media outlets to have people that specialise in researching this stuff because what chance do regular people have of deciphering the layers of signals.

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1 minute ago, DMC said:

I don't think so.  At least, I think there are better ways to do it then screaming at cops up to the point they detain you.  The effect of that is only going to harden positions from those that don't agree with you and generate eyerolls from those otherwise indifferent.  Like Ran cited, Flower Power or the Kiev mirror tactic or Ieshia Evans are powerful images that demonstrate why protests are not only warranted but essential.  This has the potential for exact opposite effect.

I think I'm going to keep the video in my back pocket. That why when Trumpist start talking about freedom of speech, I'll show it too them and say, "What do you think about this."

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2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Trump absolutely does not believe the rules he sets for others apply to him.

Yes, this is one of the defining traits of extreme narcissism. 

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2 hours ago, karaddin said:

This is as bullshit as the random violence. Arresting a guy for kneeling and calling for dialog and peace tells you all you need to fucking know about what these cops want

ETA: And also how much these enforcers of the law actually care about the law. Or freedom of speech.

Sweet Mary Mother of God what is wrong with those cops???

That happened in Calhoun Park in Charleston South Carolina.

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On the polling front there hasnt been much significant movement, although an ABC/WaPo poll has Biden +13/+10/+5 depending on an all adult/RV/LV screen. Not sure if its a real effect, but getting more transfer from RV to LV or even new registrations could help Biden. I should also note that the approval rating for Trump from the same poll is a bit on the higher end (45/53) from all adults and RVs. Just a few things to keep in mind,

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Jesus...people are going to get killed in Louisville tonight if the cops don't stand down, and that will be the end of any chance at peaceful protests.

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Yeah looking though some more of what Trump said... It's going to be a miracle if we don't see multiple murders by cops in multiple states. And if it happens it's just going to escalate. 

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11 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

an ABC/WaPo poll has Biden +13/+10/+5 depending on an all adult/RV/LV screen.

The size of that gap between registered and likely voters is disconcerting.

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13 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Isn't that the point of rules?

Something tells me Trump has never visited this site.  Or even aware of its existence.

And that Chappelle set is one of my favorites.  "Dave...I'm gonna race em."

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22 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Yeah looking though some more of what Trump said... It's going to be a miracle if we don't see multiple murders by cops in multiple states. And if it happens it's just going to escalate. 

Not when all the protesters are dead and the police pardoned.

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