Megorova Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 3 hours ago, TheLastWolf said: Rohanne webber is Old Nan theory is in conflict with yours And I have a theory that Old Nan is Alysanne (Nan) Stark, daughter of Beron Stark, younger sister of Willam (his first wife, Lyanne Glover, died in childbirth. And their son was Brandon Stark, who died later from summer chill, aged three years old. Old Nan was his wet-nurse. She was his aunt, and his milk-mother), and older sister of Rodrik (the Wandering Wolf). In one of his tree-visions Bran saw a tall knight kissing with a brown-haired girl. That knight, as tall as Hodor, was Duncan the Tall, and Brienne and Hodor are his descendants from Alysanne Stark. Events of The She-Wolves of Winterfell are happening soon after The Mystery Knight, and The Sworn Sword was happening in 211, at that time Rohanne was 25 years old. And she just recently got married with Eustas Osgrey. Thus she definitely wasn't that girl, that was kissing with Dunk at Winterfell. Aged 25+, Rohanne was far from being a girl, her hair was red not brown, at that time she was with her husband, Eustas, in the Reach, and after that she married with Gerold Lannister, and from 211-219 to 229 was giving birth to his four sons. The hell is she Old Nan Duncan and Alysanne never married. Probably something happened, and they got separated under dire circumstances. He never knew that she was pregnant, and later gave birth to his child, or rather to his children. He wanted to have a family, so if he knew that he had children, he wouldn't have became a Kingsguard. Probably, her family made her to marry with some other guy, when Dunk left Winterfell and after his departure turned out that Alysanne is pregnant. So everyone was made to believe that those children are the children of Alysanne's husband. She remained married to him, and later did gave birth to more children, this time really her husband's. I think, that Dunk and Nan had twins. Because Dunk's father, Daemon I Blackfyre, had a set of twins as his first children, Aegon and Aemon, born in 184. Daemon's father's, Aegon's, sister-wife, Naerys, also gave birth to twins, in 161, then more twins in 172. Possibly Aegon's four daughters, born my Merry Meg, were also sets of twins. Two of Bellegere Otherys' children, fathered by Aegon, also could have been twins, same as Bloodraven's sisters, Mya and Gwenis. It is known that Old Nan had sons and daughters. Her daughters moved away and died. Her two sons died during Robert's Rebellion. Her grandson died during Greyjoy Rebellion. Hodor is her great-grandson. So I assume that Duncan's children were a girl and a boy. His son died in Robert's Rebellion, that son's son died in Greyjoy's Rebellion, and that son's grandson, Dunk's and Nan's great-grandson is Hodor/Walder (GRRM said that names with ae are Valyrian, Walder, which could be in this case a clue that Hodor is a dragonseed). Duncan's daughter moved away from Winterfell, married elsewhere, and her descendants are Wenda/Meris, Brienne, and Cleganes, Sandor and Gregor (Dunk's descendant is either their mother, or their father). Sandor was born in 270 or 271, and Gregor was born in 265 or 266. Brienne was born in 280. Hodor's age is unknown, though considering that he is a great-grandson of Old Nan, and she was a wet-nurse of Brandon, thus her own (Dunk's) children were about same age as Brandon, and Brandon's half-sibling, Edwyle, is Ned Stark's grandfather, so Ned's great-grandfather, is from about the same generation as Old Nan/Alysanne, who was Willam's younger sister. <- what all that means is that Hodor is either approximately same age as Ned, or he is a bit younger than Ned, because Alysanne was Willam's younger sibling. Based on significant age difference between Ned(Hodor) and Brienne, it seems that Wenda/Meris is Old Nan's great-granddaughter, while Brienne is one generation further, she is Old Nan's and Dunk's great great-granddaughter. Dunk was 10 or so years older than Egg, Jon Snow, who is Egg's great great-grandson, is about same age as Brienne (she's 19-20, he's 15-16). Gregor and Sandor are 10-15 years older than Brienne, so they seems to be Old Nan's great grandchildren, same as Hodor and Meris. Thus one of Cleganes' parents, the one who was Old Nan's descendant, is about the same age as Nan's other grandchild, the one who died in Greyjoy Rebellion. So, one of Nan's daughters, had a child/children, and that person is a parent of Gregor and Sandor, and another one is Meris's parent. Thus, their family tree is something like this: Daemon I Blackfyre + Daenerys Targaryen | Beron Stark + Lorra Royce Duncan the Tall + Alysanne Stark (Old Nan) son (died in Robert's Rebellion), daugher (moved away); son born from Nan's husband (also died in Robert's Rebellion), another daughter (also moved away) grandson (died in Greyjoy's Rebellion), Cleganes' parent and her/his siblings. Hodor, Gregor, Sandor, Meris Brienne Duncan | Egg daughter | Jaehaerys children | Aerys Meris | Rhaegar Brienne | Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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