Stannis th3 Mannis Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Against Tyrion and his champion Oberyn why did it not have to be a kingsgaurd? It was a trial to prosecute The kings Murderer or even if you look at it as it was Cerci's champion (I thought she says as much when Tyrion chooses Trial by combat, Cerci says somthing like "ser Gregor returned to pledge his sword to my service" so it this was her champion it still should have had to be a kingsgaurd member as this turns into a large plot point layer for Cerci and Margerys trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Targaryen Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 A very good point. It's probably a plothole, like several other things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Stannis th3 Mannis said: Against Tyrion and his champion Oberyn why did it not have to be a kingsgaurd? It was a trial to prosecute The kings Murderer or even if you look at it as it was Cerci's champion (I thought she says as much when Tyrion chooses Trial by combat, Cerci says somthing like "ser Gregor returned to pledge his sword to my service" so it this was her champion it still should have had to be a kingsgaurd member as this turns into a large plot point layer for Cerci and Margerys trial I always assumed that Cersei and Tywin ignored the rules to make doubly sure that Tyrion was found guilty. They both want him gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, James Steller said: I always assumed that Cersei and Tywin ignored the rules to make doubly sure that Tyrion was found guilty. They both want him gone for good. I'd agree. Moreover, look at the remaining Kingsguard members. Trant, Blunt, one-handed Jaime, way off in Dorne Swan, that Kettleblack mediocrity, Loras "of dubious loyalty to House Lannister" Tyrell. No wonder Tywin allowed Cersei to bend the rules. This was a good catch! I'd never even thought of it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skahaz mo Kandaq Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Stannis th3 Mannis said: Against Tyrion and his champion Oberyn why did it not have to be a kingsgaurd? It was a trial to prosecute The kings Murderer or even if you look at it as it was Cerci's champion (I thought she says as much when Tyrion chooses Trial by combat, Cerci says somthing like "ser Gregor returned to pledge his sword to my service" so it this was her champion it still should have had to be a kingsgaurd member as this turns into a large plot point layer for Cerci and Margerys trial The Lannnisters know no person can defeat Gregor. They were in it to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 A KG only has to act as defense when a member of the royal family is accused of the crime, not when the royal family is accusing someone of a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said: A KG only has to act as defense when a member of the royal family is accused of the crime, not when the royal family is accusing someone of a crime. To be more specific, a Kingsguard has to champion the honor of a queen, not just every member of the royal family. Although I doubt that is a very fixed general rule. Queen Alysanne would have likely used her own sworn shield, the Scarlet Shadow, to defend her in a similar situation. I'd assume this kind of thing started with the Naerys-Aemon business, especially since there is no indication that any other queen but Naerys was ever accused of a crime while queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said: A KG only has to act as defense when a member of the royal family is accused of the crime, not when the royal family is accusing someone of a crime. Yep, Gregor wasn't defending either Cersei or Joffrey at Tyrion's trial. Neither Cersei or Joffrey would have faced punishment if Gregor lost. Countary, if Cersei/Margaery's champion loses in their trials then they would be punished thus their acts are in defense of the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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