Rose of Red Lake Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Quote “Haldon raised an eyebrow. “High Priest of the red temple in Volantis. Flame of Truth, Light of Wisdom, First Servant of the Lord of Light, Slave of R’hllor.” The only red priest Tyrion had ever known was Thoros of Myr, the portly, genial, wine-stained roisterer who had loitered about Robert’s court swilling the king’s finest vintages and setting his sword on fire for mêlées. “Give me priests who are fat and corrupt and cynical,” he told Haldon, “the sort who like to sit on soft satin cushions, nibble sweetmeats, and diddle little boys. It’s the ones who believe in gods who make the trouble.” “It may be that we can use this trouble to our advantage. I know where we may find answers.” ” What did Haldon have in mind here? Was he attempting to access religious propaganda for Aegon, or something else? Quote “I have a bad feeling about this. The dwarf was reminded of the day Myrcella sailed for Dorne and the riot that boiled up as they made their way back to the Red Keep. Haldon Halfmaester had spoken of using the red priest to Young Griff’s advantage, Tyrion recalled. Now that he had seen and heard the man himself, that struck him as a very bad idea.” “The hairs on the back of Tyrion’s neck began to prickle. Prince Aegon will find no friend here. The red priest spoke of ancient prophecy, a prophecy that foretold the coming of a hero to deliver the world from darkness. One hero. Not two. Daenerys has dragons, Aegon does not. The dwarf did not need to be a prophet himself to foresee how Benerro and his followers might react to a second Targaryen. Griff will see that too, surely, he thought, surprised to find how much he cared.” From the way Tyrion is concerned here, it sounds like the Red Priests will incite mobs to fight against Westrosi, who will be cheering for Aegon. If Aegon represents the cloth dragon they're cheering in the prophecy, will his supporters (lords and smallfolk alike, presumably) also be marked as "the enemy"? Will the Red Priests go to war against Aegon or will it be something more indirect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Marsh Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I doubt that is the case. The Westerosi will be so disappointed in their gods and lose faith when the White Walkers prove unstoppable. The Seven will be helpless against the armies of ice. The opposite of ice, cold, and darkness are fire, warmth, and light. If Aegon somehow manages to take the throne and that is a big "if", it will be through a lie. People do not care for those who deceived them. Exposing that lie will cause the floors to fall from Aegon's feet. The religious conflict will happen between the followers of Rhllor and those who worship the Old Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Volantis is a slave city. The riot which Tyrion feels is so close is a future slave revolt, with Daenerys as a savior figure. Any potential rival to her would likely not be safe, in Volantis at least. ETA: OP brings up a good point. If these slaves are freed and fight on her behalf in Westeros, they'll likely be about as loyal to Daenerys as the Unsullied are, though perhaps more ruthless as the Unsullied were trained with strict discipline and self-control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. D Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Seems like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springwatch Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 7/28/2020 at 10:15 PM, Rose of Red Lake said: Quote “I have a bad feeling about this. The dwarf was reminded of the day Myrcella sailed for Dorne and the riot that boiled up as they made their way back to the Red Keep. Haldon Halfmaester had spoken of using the red priest to Young Griff’s advantage, Tyrion recalled. Now that he had seen and heard the man himself, that struck him as a very bad idea.” “The hairs on the back of Tyrion’s neck began to prickle. Prince Aegon will find no friend here. The red priest spoke of ancient prophecy, a prophecy that foretold the coming of a hero to deliver the world from darkness. One hero. Not two. Daenerys has dragons, Aegon does not. The dwarf did not need to be a prophet himself to foresee how Benerro and his followers might react to a second Targaryen. Griff will see that too, surely, he thought, surprised to find how much he cared.” From the way Tyrion is concerned here, it sounds like the Red Priests will incite mobs to fight against Westrosi, who will be cheering for Aegon. If Aegon represents the cloth dragon they're cheering in the prophecy, will his supporters (lords and smallfolk alike, presumably) also be marked as "the enemy"? Will the Red Priests go to war against Aegon or will it be something more indirect? I always felt Tyrion was over-reacting a bit. Surely the red priests have zero interest in making Dany queen of Westeros - it's more likely they will try to re-focus her onto delivering the world from darkness. All Aegon's team have to do is suggest that being king is just a support role - counting coppers and raising armies - while Dany goes north to do the important stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Springwatch said: I always felt Tyrion was over-reacting a bit. Surely the red priests have zero interest in making Dany queen of Westeros - it's more likely they will try to re-focus her onto delivering the world from darkness. All Aegon's team have to do is suggest that being king is just a support role - counting coppers and raising armies - while Dany goes north to do the important stuff. Hmm yeah, he may be. But what's the purpose of having it in there? I guess it depends how irrational and feverishly cult-like the mob will be and how far Benerro pushes it. His descriptions of "minions of night" "dark eye" are straight out of bad popcorn fantasy. These statements also very vague and could be directed at anyone, not just slavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springwatch Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 It is odd, now you come to mention it. I can't imagine the Yunkaii as minions of the night. It's just not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aebram Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 This could be a matter of optics (pardon the pop-culture clichě). If the Volantenes percieve Aegon as an ally of Daenerys, instead of a rival, they'd support him. Maybe Haldon could get a message to the leadership of the Red Temple, and they could work together without revealing Aegon's identity to the whole city ... Of couse, it's all moot now that the Griffs have moved on to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Haldon wants to join forces with Melisandre. Remember the temple mentioned in Arya's POV in her dream. She mentioned glowing flames and a golden eye. The golden eye is Haldon's insignia if you'll remember correctly. That must be why Melisandre is so bad at reading the flames. Haldon is buffering her visions with his third eye. He's doing this to deliberately lead her away from the real threat (not the Others, but Valyrians from Asshai). When Melisandre defeats the Others she'll have him to contend with, and she'll be sufficiently weakened enough to join his troupe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 hours ago, R2D said: Haldon wants to join forces with Melisandre. Remember the temple mentioned in Arya's POV in her dream. She mentioned glowing flames and a golden eye. The golden eye is Haldon's insignia if you'll remember correctly. Which temple, and which vision? I don't recall any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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