Arakan Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 11:28 PM, The Marquis de Leech said: I can report that I've just finished a mammoth (14,000 word) look at the implicit historical bias within the Akallabeth: Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part OneElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part TwoElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Three Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Four Awesome . I know that it’s all a bit tongue in cheek but to be honest the condescending self-righteousness of the Numenoreans always rubbed me the wrong way since reading the UT back in the 90s as a 14/15 year old. At best I considered them as „well-meaning“, benevolent colonizers, which still made them insufferable. And Elendil indeed is a bit of a hypocrite as he and his successors are still very much proud of the „great host“ landing in Umbar and cowering Sauron, all the evil shit the Numenoreans were already up to at this point in time notwithstanding. This would be analog of me being super proud of the initial military success of Operation Barbarossa 1941 or the conquest of France 1940… The Marquis de Leech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabarg Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) No, it is more like russians being proud of the battle of Stalingrad. Edited February 16, 2022 by Nabarg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Strikes Back Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 4:28 PM, The Marquis de Leech said: I can report that I've just finished a mammoth (14,000 word) look at the implicit historical bias within the Akallabeth: Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part OneElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part TwoElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Three Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Four This was fun to read but it also reminds me that no one since Tolkien has really tried to write something in the same sort of mythical/biblical tone and that's a shame. The Marquis de Leech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) New JRRT photographs, letters, paintings & drafts have been released https://www.tolkienestate.com/ Edited February 26, 2022 by Ser Drewy Ran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 4:32 PM, The Grey Wolf Strikes Back said: This was fun to read but it also reminds me that no one since Tolkien has really tried to write something in the same sort of mythical/biblical tone and that's a shame. Scott Bakker did, but how successfully is a completely different matter. Also, Guy Gavriel Kay arguably did in some of his earlier work (perhaps still buzzing from his work on The Silmarillion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Strikes Back Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Werthead said: Scott Bakker did, but how successfully is a completely different matter. Also, Guy Gavriel Kay arguably did in some of his earlier work (perhaps still buzzing from his work on The Silmarillion). I have some of Bakker's books but have yet to read them though from what I've heard he's closer to The Children of Hurin than the rest of the Silmarillion tone-wise. I haven't read any of GGK's works yet either so which ones are you referring to exactly and which would you consider your top 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 hours ago, The Grey Wolf Strikes Back said: I have some of Bakker's books but have yet to read them though from what I've heard he's closer to The Children of Hurin than the rest of the Silmarillion tone-wise. I haven't read any of GGK's works yet either so which ones are you referring to exactly and which would you consider your top 3? The Fionavar Tapestry was his first and most Tolkien-like series. His later books are much more historically-rooted, and he doesn't so obviously follow the Tolkien model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Sad news. Priscilla Tolkien has died: https://www.lmh.ox.ac.uk/news/memory-priscilla-tolkien She was the youngest of J.R.R Tolkien's children. R.I.P baxus, Ser Scot A Ellison and dog-days 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Strikes Back Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 13 hours ago, Werthead said: The Fionavar Tapestry was his first and most Tolkien-like series. His later books are much more historically-rooted, and he doesn't so obviously follow the Tolkien model. Thanks. Which of his books would you recommend most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) Lost drafts of the script for the BBC radio drama of LOTR discovered. Edited March 12, 2022 by Ser Drewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Ser Drewy said: Lost drafts of the script for the BBC radio drama of LOTR discovered. Slightly horrified that the fifties adaptation tried to squeeze the whole thing into seven and a half hours. Compare to the famous eighties version, which took thirteen (and still rushed TRotK, imo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I'm guessing someone in the group was a Tolkien fan and knew the origins of Eärendil.. Ser Drewy, Ser Scot A Ellison and Corvinus85 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Ran said: I'm guessing someone in the group was a Tolkien fan and knew the origins of Eärendil.. I was coming to link about this discovery. Isn’t Eärendil the light of hope and notice to the world that we are not alone? In any event… it is aptly named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 3/30/2022 at 1:15 PM, Ran said: I'm guessing someone in the group was a Tolkien fan and knew the origins of Eärendil.. I thought that too, but the article says not quite: Quote The far-away star system takes the official name WHL0137-LS, but the astronomers who found it nicknamed it “Earendel” from the Old English word meaning “morning star” or “rising light.” I'm guessing this Old English word might have inspired Tolkien, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 5 hours ago, fionwe1987 said: I thought that too, but the article says not quite: I'm guessing this Old English word might have inspired Tolkien, though? Well, yes, but the likelihood of a random astronomer not having learned of the word by way of Tolkien seems really low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ran said: Well, yes, but the likelihood of a random astronomer not having learned of the word by way of Tolkien seems really low. Astronomy is definitely full of Tolkien geeks, but the PR department (in line with The Martian, amusingly ) seems to have nixed the Tolkien reference, because I've seen multiple articles refer the Old English meaning, but not Tolkien. Edited April 2, 2022 by fionwe1987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, fionwe1987 said: Astronomy is definitely full of Tolkien geeks, but the PR department (in line with The Martian, amusingly ) seems to have nixed the Tolkien reference, because I've seen multiple articles refer the Old English meaning, but not Tolkien. From Sky and Telescope's piece, a quote from the lead scientist in what looks like a post-publication footnote apparently added when people pointed it out: Quote Tolkien fans may recognize this name, though spelled slightly differently as Eärendil, the half-elf mariner who carried a heavenly jewel into the sky in The Silmarillion. Tolkien found inspiration for his works in the 10th century poem Crist, one line of which (translated from Old English) reads: “Hail Éarendel, brightest of angels, sent over middle-earth to mankind.” The nature of Éarendel is debated but it is commonly identified as the “morning star.” “I'm a huge Tolkien nerd, so that was one of the first name ideas that came to mind for a distant star,” explains Welch. “When I looked into it further and found that the old English word Earendel actually refers to a morning star, I was pretty much sold on the name.” Edited April 2, 2022 by Ran The Marquis de Leech and fionwe1987 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 21 hours ago, fionwe1987 said: The far-away star system takes the official name WHL0137-LS, but the astronomers who found it nicknamed it “Earendel” from the Old English word meaning “morning star” or “rising light.” Interesting that earendel means morning star, which I most closely associate with the devil/lucifer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 3 hours ago, DMC said: Interesting that earendel means morning star, which I most closely associate with the devil/lucifer. I guess it makes sense from a "light-bringer" context which fits pretty well with both pre-Christian Lucifer but also with Milton's Satan as a Promethean figure. The Marquis de Leech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Larry of the Lake said: I guess it makes sense from a "light-bringer" context which fits pretty well with both pre-Christian Lucifer Right, the Roman "Lucifer" was just the name for the morning star, and than in Germanic tradition it had its own associations which persisted into the Christian era. Basically the association of the morning star with the Devil didn't exist in Anglo-Saxon England. The Marquis de Leech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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