Calibandar Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I got my copy, really excellent this. Very well organized and in my opinion a great read. Very good to have it all together in 1 book, much better to build a picture of the Second Age. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 2:41 PM, Lord Varys said: Quick question: Do you guys remember when you first read Tolkien and/or when children you know first read him? I gave 'The Hobbit' to my eight-year-old niece this week and am kind of wondering when exactly LotR would make sense. She is already devouring bigger books than 'The Hobbit', it is more about the scary parts of the story. IIRC, I was 11 when I first read LOTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Fall of Númenor arrived here today. As Partner also tested + for covid today, I shall be particularly grateful to have this, confined to home, and where I too shall surely soon be + and sick. Sigh. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) On 11/23/2022 at 12:35 PM, Zorral said: The Fall of Númenor by JRR Tolkien review – masterful world-building from the father of fantasy https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/nov/23/the-fall-of-numenor-by-jrr-tolkien-review-masterful-world-building-from-the-father-of-fantasy So is this a good read on it's own, assuming a nerd level of background, or a money grab? Really is the prose any better extended than what we have from Silmilrilian/unfinished tales etc? Is this the estate of Tolkien being passive aggressive and looking to monetize the second age where Amazon can't? Though to be honest, they probably got a big enough bag already. Raises the question about the second age in general. First age is background, world building, and JRRT follow his muse, I get that. Second age is kind of blah as a setting commercially if everyone gets introduced to ME in the Third Age. I want a story that expands the world and keeps up with the writing from LOTR. Is this something? How does this compare to "Of Tuor and his coming to Gondolin"? Edited December 8, 2022 by mcbigski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 It is similar to the Silmarillion/Unfinished Tales and very interesting in my opinion. Definitely paints a picture of the Second Age in detail. Its very much a chronology and nothing like a novel like LoTR. mcbigski, Ser Scot A Ellison and Zorral 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) Tolkien commemorated on the new £2 coin: https://www.royalmint.com/annual-sets/2023/celebrating-the-life-and-work-of-jrr-tolkien/ Plus a new book coming in March. His translation of the Battle of Maldon. Edited December 29, 2022 by Ser Drewy The Marquis de Leech and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 21 hours ago, Ser Drewy said: Tolkien commemorated on the new £2 coin: https://www.royalmint.com/annual-sets/2023/celebrating-the-life-and-work-of-jrr-tolkien/ Plus a new book coming in March. His translation of the Battle of Maldon. A coin forged in the heart of a volcano, yes? baxus, Gaston de Foix and The Marquis de Leech 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-Winged Balrog Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 What was the infant mortality rate in the Shire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 12/4/2022 at 6:21 PM, Zorral said: Fall of Númenor arrived here today. As Partner also tested + for covid today, I shall be particularly grateful to have this, confined to home, and where I too shall surely soon be + and sick. Sigh. I got my copy for Christmas. Not only did I enjoy reading it… it was such a lovely and well assembled book. Heavy paper well bound… and came with a built in ribbon as a book mark. Zorral and Calibandar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Any specific things you liked in the text? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Calibandar said: Any specific things you liked in the text? I enjoyed the fleshing out of Sauron’s ability to use the falling Numenorian’s desire for eternal life to bring about the end of their own civilization. We’ve read what happened before but there is a fair bit of high end narrative to flesh this out. I just really enjoyed this one. Calibandar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 From Edelweiss catalog (one of the "key selling points" for reissue of The History of the Hobbit by John D. Rateliff): Quote PRIME VIDEO’S EPIC THE RINGS OF POWER SERIES has brought a new generation of fans to Tolkien’s works with a more than 100% increase in sales across the entire Tolkien backlist in calendar 2022. The Hobbit is one of the books (along with The Silmarillion) that popped the most in sales during the season one run of the series, making it the perfect time to reissue this book in the US. Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Jussi said: From Edelweiss catalog (one of the "key selling points" for reissue of The History of the Hobbit by John D. Rateliff): That's particularly interesting in light of the utter horror expressed by So Many regarding even including Harfoots in RoP. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 My local library has the new Andy Serkis read Unabridged LOTR audiobooks. I just got to The Two Towers book 2. Hearing Serkis read Gollum/Smeagol is just amazing. That said… I feel bad for Serkis having to attempt to sing the various songs and poems (Rob Inglis… the prior unabridged reader did those songs very well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnS Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Is this a true reading of the Quest for Erebor from the Unfinished Tales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 17 hours ago, LynnS said: Is this a true reading of the Quest for Erebor from the Unfinished Tales? No. There is dialogue added in that I don’t recall from [u]Unfinished Tales[/u]. LynnS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) https://lotb-ltd.com/ They've now received a cease and desist letter from the owners of the film rights. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-64519500 Unfortunately, I do think that their website and promotional material looks sufficiently similar to the opening credits of the film, to make it likely they would lose a case based on passing off or trademark infringement. I don't think the use of the name "Lord of the Bins" per se would be actionable by anyone other than Tolkien's literary trustees. Edited February 4, 2023 by SeanF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, SeanF said: Unfortunately, I do think that their website and promotional material looks sufficiently similar to the opening credits of the film, to make it likely they would lose a case based on passing off or trademark infringement. I don't think the use of the name "Lord of the Bins" per se would be actionable by anyone other than Tolkien's literary trustees. "Lord of the Rings" is trademarked in many different categories by Middle-earth Enterprises, so they are certainly in position to act against it. There is no parody exemption for trademarks in UK law, as far as I can find. And the Trade Mark Act says in Section 10 (3): Quote A person infringes a registered trade mark if he uses in the course of trade[F1, in relation to goods or services,] a sign which— (a)is identical with or similar to the trade mark, ... (b). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .where the trade mark has a reputation in the United Kingdom and the use of the sign, being without due cause, takes unfair advantage of, or is detrimental to, the distinctive character or the repute of the trade mark. I think it's very clear that Middle-Earth Enterprises would feel that a parodic trademark that references their work is "detrimental [to] ... the repute of the trade mark." They don't want LotR associated with rubbish and rubbish removal, however necessary or honorable that profession may be. Edited February 4, 2023 by Ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) Given that they remove rubbish, a joke about Lord of the Flies might be more appropriate? Edited February 5, 2023 by The Marquis de Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 12 hours ago, Ran said: "Lord of the Rings" is trademarked in many different categories by Middle-earth Enterprises, so they are certainly in position to act against it. There is no parody exemption for trademarks in UK law, as far as I can find. And the Trade Mark Act says in Section 10 (3): I think it's very clear that Middle-Earth Enterprises would feel that a parodic trademark that references their work is "detrimental [to] ... the repute of the trade mark." They don't want LotR associated with rubbish and rubbish removal, however necessary or honorable that profession may be. I think it’s (a) rather than (b) that would catch out the rubbish collectors. The logo and home page do give the impression that they are connected to the film. I don’t think the term Lord of the Bins is itself detrimental. The same company tried and failed to get The Hobbit pub to change its name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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