One-Winged Balrog Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, A wilding said: The whole of LotR is full of miraculous exact timings. This has been argued as evidence that Iluvatar was quietly managing events in a manner distinctly reminiscent of a Christian god. Or perhaps Tolkien just really liked the Just In Time trope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 11 hours ago, One-Winged Balrog said: Was the significance of exact timing in the denouement of The Lord of the Rings plot discussed somewhere? Perhaps by Tolkien himself in letters somewhere? I'm talking about Frodo and Sam arriving at mount Doom precisely as the Host of the West engaged the army of Sauron in an unwinnable battle. Were Frodo and Sam to arrive a day later, and Gandalf, Aragon, Éomer, Gimli, Legolas and Peregrin would all be dead. Eagles would also be either dead of dispersed, and assuming the ring still gets destroyed, Frodo and Sam would also perish. Were Frodo and Sam to arrive a day early, there would be no climactic confrontation at the Black Gate... but assuming the ring gets destroyed, Frodo and Sam would still perish, because the Eagles are nowhere near. Eucatastophe. The opposite of a catastrophe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 15 hours ago, A wilding said: The whole of LotR is full of miraculous exact timings. This has been argued as evidence that Iluvatar was quietly managing events in a manner distinctly reminiscent of a Christian god. Watsonian explanation: Providence. Doylist explanation: It makes more a more exciting story. George RR Martin uses this trope too of course. It's very, very common in fiction, because it increases the stakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncalagonTheBlack Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) Question for those of you who have listened to the LoTR audiobooks, i'm thinking of getting the audiobooks to pass the time while commuting to work. It seems there are two versions, the classic one narrated by Rob Inglis and the brand new 2021 reissue by Andy Serkis! Any suggestions which one to get? Edited January 30, 2022 by AncalagonTheBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I enjoyed the Inglis version decades ago. Didn't know about the Serkis versions (he also did 'The Hobbit', apparently) so I cannot say anything about that one. I expect it be an interesting performance. AncalagonTheBlack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 One of the things I really like about the Inglis version is he actually sings the songs in the books and sings them pretty well. Does anyone know if Serkis sings the songs? AncalagonTheBlack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncalagonTheBlack Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 After listening to samples of audio from both narrators it was an easy choice, i decided to go with the Serkis version and i'm glad i did.Serkis narrating is like sitting around a campfire and getting lost in the story. Larry of the Lawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 On 9/18/2021 at 3:31 AM, Marsala said: Aranarth didn't try to continue the North Kingdom, let alone press his claim to Gondor. But he and his descendants continued to protect Eriador and maintain it (in a curiously empty state outside of the Shire and Breeland) for centuries. I think they did feel unworthy of a royal title until they had earned it again. However, the emptiness of Eriador in the late Third Age (less populated than Wilderland!) is one of the oddest bits of Tolkien's world-building. It seems to be an artifact of the earliest drafts of The Fellowship of the Ring, in which Frodo (then Bingo) had to make it to Rivendell through an uninhabited wilderness after leaving Bree. This idea wasn't fully present in The Hobbit - note that the encounter with the trolls is said to be their first night camping, which implies that inns were present right up to the Edge of the Wild! Even in the absence of a government, the depopulated state of Eriador makes little sense. It’s a huge and fertile expanse of land. Even in a society like sixth century Britain, there were settlements, despite the fact that all the cities had gone. The Marquis de Leech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I can report that I've just finished a mammoth (14,000 word) look at the implicit historical bias within the Akallabeth: Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part OneElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part TwoElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Three Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Four The Grey Wolf Strikes Back, Ser Scot A Ellison, Ser Drewy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 15 hours ago, The Marquis de Leech said: I can report that I've just finished a mammoth (14,000 word) look at the implicit historical bias within the Akallabeth: Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part OneElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part TwoElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Three Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Four Very well written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) Welp this is happening https://variety.com/2022/film/news/lord-of-the-rings-hobbit-tolkien-zaentz-rights-sale-1235176036/ I am not sure what to think about that. Edited February 9, 2022 by ASOIAFrelatedusername Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) On 2/6/2022 at 2:28 PM, The Marquis de Leech said: Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part OneElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part TwoElendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Three Elendil the Insufferable Lying Bastard - Part Four Geez, that person must hate Elendil. But tbh, what's wrong with Elendil? He's the dad of Isuldur, so he's Aragorn's........great-great-great-great-great-great-however many "great"s it is grandpa, who led the (seven, I think it was) ships away from Numenor. Doesn't seem so bad to me. Edited February 10, 2022 by Jaenara Belarys Ran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said: Welp this is happening https://variety.com/2022/film/news/lord-of-the-rings-hobbit-tolkien-zaentz-rights-sale-1235176036/ I am not sure what to think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I wonder what happens to The Lord of the Rings MMO. Depends on the license, if it's revocable or not, I suppose. If it's revocable, 100% chance that it will get shut down. Especially if Amazon does indeed buy the rights. Although, were I Warner Bros., I would give serious consideration to buying it from under Amazon. Do limited live action series, films, animated stuff, as an additional IP for the catalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ran said: I wonder what happens to The Lord of the Rings MMO. Depends on the license, if it's revocable or not, I suppose. If it's revocable, 100% chance that it will get shut down. Especially if Amazon does indeed buy the rights. Although, were I Warner Bros., I would give serious consideration to buying it from under Amazon. Do limited live action series, films, animated stuff, as an additional IP for the catalog. I think Amazon already cancelled their MMO last year or the year before. Yeah, here: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-04-17-amazon-cancels-its-lord-of-the-rings-mmo Edited February 10, 2022 by Ser Drewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Ser Drewy said: I think Amazon already cancelled their MMO last year or the year before. Yeah, here: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-04-17-amazon-cancels-its-lord-of-the-rings-mmo I'm referring to The Lord of the Rings Online, which has been running for over a decade. Their license is via Middle-earth Enterprises, i.e. the Sault Zaentz Company, but with those rights now being sold off it may be that they'll end up having to close if the license is revocable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Quote I'm referring to The Lord of the Rings Online, which has been running for over a decade. Their license is via Middle-earth Enterprises, i.e. the Sault Zaentz Company, but with those rights now being sold off it may be that they'll end up having to close if the license is revocable. ´Still until you have a replacement lined up, there should not be much reason to starwarsgalaxies Loto (though that may just be the sunk cost fallacy speaking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:18 AM, One-Winged Balrog said: Were Frodo and Sam to arrive a day early, there would be no climactic confrontation at the Black Gate... but assuming the ring gets destroyed, Frodo and Sam would still perish, because the Eagles are nowhere near. Do we know the eagles were not somewhere near Aragon's hosts, awaiting a signal from Gandalf to swoop in? Because if so, Frodo and Sam getting to Mount Doom early wouldn't have been an issue. Gandalf would have known the moment Frodo claimed the Ring, summoned Gwaihir and his chums, and had a slightly longer flight to Orodruin. He might have spent his extra flight time sulking about not being able to stare the Mouth of Sauron into silence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 14 hours ago, Ran said: I'm referring to The Lord of the Rings Online, which has been running for over a decade. Their license is via Middle-earth Enterprises, i.e. the Sault Zaentz Company, but with those rights now being sold off it may be that they'll end up having to close if the license is revocable. I totally forgot about that game, lol. Which is weird since I loved playing it for a time. I have no idea what they'll do in the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-Winged Balrog Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 3:35 AM, fionwe1987 said: Do we know the eagles were not somewhere near Aragon's hosts, awaiting a signal from Gandalf to swoop in? Because if so, Frodo and Sam getting to Mount Doom early wouldn't have been an issue. Gandalf would have known the moment Frodo claimed the Ring, summoned Gwaihir and his chums, and had a slightly longer flight to Orodruin. He might have spent his extra flight time sulking about not being able to stare the Mouth of Sauron into silence... I thought the Eagles had only arrived for the battle, to fight the Nazgul, but you may be correct, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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