S. D Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Floki of the Ironborn said: Okay, first of all, Corlys is 44 years older than Marilda, but he's also the third or second most powerful lord in the Seven Kingdoms. If Walder frigging Frey can continually find younger and younger brides, I'm pretty sure that Corlys could have his way with any lowbown woman whom he takes a shine to. It's the sad truth of men in power using it for selfish reasons. Secondly, Laenor could just as easily have been visiting the dockyards to meet men instead of women. Him being at the docks proves nothing except that he was there once in a while. For all we know, he took part in all-male orgies below deck of one ship or another. There was a Lannister king who went down to Lannisport's shipyards dressed as a woman, after all. I don't know what it is about shipyards and docks to have this reputation for being more sexually liberated than other parts of society, but it's clearly a thing in Westeros at least. And thirdly, who says Corlys wasn't ever at Hull's shipyards? He was nicknamed the Sea Snake, and a Targaryen princess complained that he was more interested in sailing than her. Corlys was so gung-ho about the sea that he couldn't have been bothered to make a nice impression to his king's daughter as a possible bride! I refuse to believe that he never once visited Hull's shipyards. Plus, Marilda is a sailor too. Who says they couldn't have met anywhere else? Fourthly, Addam claiming Laenor's dragon proves nothing because Laenor is either his father or his half-brother, and either way they have a close blood connection. Dragon ownership isn't determined by blood, otherwise how did Ulf or Hugh Hammer claim any dragons for themselves? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megorova Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Floki of the Ironborn said: Dragon ownership isn't determined by blood, otherwise how did Ulf or Hugh Hammer claim any dragons for themselves? They both were dragonseeds from Dragonstone. It means that they were carriers of Targaryen genes. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/First_night#Dragonseeds "When the Targaryens first came to Dragonstone from the Valyrian Freehold, they began practicing the tradition themselves. While the first night was greatly resented and loathed in the rest of the Seven Kingdoms, the smallfolk of Dragonstone viewed their beautiful rulers of Valyrian origin almost as gods.[3][4] When a Lord of Dragonstone took his rights according to the first night custom, the brides were seen as "blessed", and the children born of such unions were often given lavish gifts by their father. Bastards who inherited Valyrian features such as purple eyes were said to be born of "dragonseed", and in time, they became known as "seeds".[3]" https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ulf_White#History "A dragonseed of Dragonstone, Ulf the White was a man-at-arms when the Dance of the Dragons began." "Ulf was pale-haired and named for his white hair.[1]" "Hugh was a blacksmith's bastard on Dragonstone when the Dance of the Dragons began.[4]" Hugh's father could have been a son of a Targaryen and a commoner-mother. It isn't necessary for this two (Hugh and Ulf) to be sons of a Targaryen, to be able to claim a "Targaryen"-dragon, it would have been enough for them to have a bit of Targaryen genes, one of their parents or grandparents or even great-grandparents could have been a result of The First Night Right. One other supposedly non-Targaryen dragonseed - Nettles, was OBVIOUSLY Daemon Targaryen's daughter. To claim a Targaryen dragon, it is necessary for the prospective rider to have Targaryen genes. And Velaryons had a lot of Targ-genes, because their House frequently intermarried with Targaryens. My personal opinion is that it's more likely that Marilda's children were fathered by a gay-man than the possibility that they were fathered by a 60-years old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 3 augusti 2020 at 9:33 AM, Floki of the Ironborn said: Laenor didn't have those kids with Marilda. Corlys Velaryon had those kids with Marilda and said it was his son so his wife wouldn't find out. Nah the Red Sowing wasn't until after Rhaenys died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 The remaining Blackfyres would probably be looking upon this scenario with great interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orm Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Lord Lannister said: The remaining Blackfyres would probably be looking upon this scenario with great interest. Is Jahearys likely to treat with a kin-family which claims his own for a bastard line? When he has a nephew, which he could control to do his bidding..... although might having a subservient opposition in Ormund Baratheon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Orm said: Is Jahearys likely to treat with a kin-family which claims his own for a bastard line? When he has a nephew, which he could control to do his bidding..... although might having a subservient opposition in Ormund Baratheon? Is Jahearys? No. If it comes between Rhaella Targaryen and Maelys(or maybe Daemon III) Blackfyre I could see there being popular support for a male claimant over a female one. There's a wide period of what if's for things to happen and not happen. Entirely possible the Ninepenny War doesn't happen or Jahearys secures another heir through his own blood or perhaps Duncan being forced to remarry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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