Ormond Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jace, Basilissa said: Maybe he's trans! Maybe he's pansexual or semi-sexual or non-conforming! Or maybe he's obviously a hypocritical piece of shit bigot who isn't worth your sympathetic projections. What do you think I am projecting? I am gay myself so I am certainly not "projecting" that he is asexual. And I believe that all human beings, even Trump, are worth sympathy. Sorry if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Well there was a gay escort who said that Graham was a regular client of his, and encouraged other escorts to come out and expose Graham's hypocrisy. I don't remember if other guys came forward or not, since I don't particularly care about his sexuality either way. Just Googled that and don't find his accusers (one in 2010 and one recently) to be very believable, especially since the first one claimed to have photos of gay hustlers leaving Graham's home but then never showed them to anyone despite promises to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I think there's a decent chance Graham is a self-hating closeted gay man, but it doesn't matter. He's a well documented lying, self-serving piece of shit, and that's why people shouldn't vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: If Graham is bending to Trump for fear of his homosexuality being revealed to the world he’d to better to just come out of the closet. I don’t know anyone in South Carolina who thinks Graham is a straight man. Nobody in their right mind thinks of Graham as a straight guy, irrelevant of his sexuality. He has lost any credentials of being a serious political figure by bending over for Trump. I could go on a bit with those somewhat homophobe figures of speeches, by also including something along the line, that people shouldn't (and hopefully don't) bother as much about whether he is literally sucking dicks, than him fellating the orange one (figuratively). The only scenario, in which I think, that the threat of outing him as a homosexual could've swayed him, the way the orange has apparently beenable to do over the past coupe of years, would be if he still harbors Presidential ambitions of his own, and concluded, that his homosexuality would harm him there. I am not sure it does tbh. The evangelicals have shown to be very flexible with regards to their Biblical principles. But then again, maybe philandering for them is easier to forgive than lying with another man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Could someone in the know explain how a campaign's private pollsters function differently than public polls? The Trump campaign keeps talking about how their internal polling is better, but i can't help but think that if Trump treats his internal polling like public polling, he probably just hired the group that most tells him what he wants to hear. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: The only scenario, in which I think, that the threat of outing him as a homosexual could've swayed him, the way the orange has apparently beenable to do over the past coupe of years, would be if he still harbors Presidential ambitions of his own, and concluded, that his homosexuality would harm him there. I am not sure it does tbh. The evangelicals have shown to be very flexible with regards to their Biblical principles. But then again, maybe philandering for them is easier to forgive than lying with another man. That ship has long sailed for him. And I've wondered for a while if he's just afraid of Trump suggesting that he's gay. Would his long time Republican colleagues defend him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Graham is a Republican in a red state, his deference to Trump needs no further explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: And I've wondered for a while if he's just afraid of Trump suggesting that he's gay. Would his long time Republican colleagues defend him? Nope, they wouldn't, except for a few with seats outside the Bible belt maybe. I think they'D remain silent, one way or the other. So yeah, I am curious what exactly the orange one has on him. Mere outing as a homosexual can't really be all he has. I wouldn'T be surprised, that if he were to lose his Senate seat, that he'd try to run as openly gay Republican for Governor of SC in a few years. If Trumpism is indeed defeated, then in a new more open GOP, he might try to use that to his advantage, with a long time partner as political prop. But right now, that's the party of Trump (and Pence, I always forget about that white ghost of Thanks Giving past (think of him dressed up as a Pilgrim Father if you didn't get that joke)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 40 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Nope, they wouldn't, except for a few with seats outside the Bible belt maybe. I think they'D remain silent, one way or the other. So yeah, I am curious what exactly the orange one has on him. Mere outing as a homosexual can't really be all he has. I wouldn'T be surprised, that if he were to lose his Senate seat, that he'd try to run as openly gay Republican for Governor of SC in a few years. If Trumpism is indeed defeated, then in a new more open GOP, he might try to use that to his advantage, with a long time partner as political prop. But right now, that's the party of Trump (and Pence, I always forget about that white ghost of Thanks Giving past (think of him dressed up as a Pilgrim Father if you didn't get that joke)). He may have nothing more than Graham's fear of being primaried. Trump's power within the party is that he's shown the people in charge that they actually have no control over their base, and for whatever reason one of the least likely people has taken over the party and everyone is just okay with being conned. It's like punking someone in front of everyone and knowing you own them when they meekly take it. And JFC that presser was a mess, on every level. I guess the plus is when the reporter kept saying he was not telling the truth he ran away, but it's so weird hearing him have a crowd cheering him on. Even if Trumpism is defeated, leaders of the free world we may never really be again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Did anyone mention the Friday Night Massacre at the Post Office? What a surprise. Not. Top executives were fired and a dozen managers shuffled into other jobs. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/07/friday-night-massacre-us-postal-service-postmaster-general-major-trump-donor-ousts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said: Did anyone mention the Friday Night Massacre at the Post Office? What a surprise. Not. Top executives were fired and a dozen managers shuffled into other jobs. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/07/friday-night-massacre-us-postal-service-postmaster-general-major-trump-donor-ousts I can't speak about this specifically because I don't know anything, but I can comment with some confidence on other post office matters. First: closing post offices. This has been ongoing for quite a while. Get right down to it, there are quite a few smaller post offices that should be shut down. Almost happened to a couple in my area, but they got stays. (Couple hundred customers who'd be folded onto highway routes). Second: make no mistake, the postal bureaucracy, especially the upper levels, is bloated and incompetent. Those of us in the trenches frequently have to decipher edicts whose authors clearly had no idea what they were talking about. Some of these edicts actually cost money and slowed mail down. Trying to explain things to these people is about as productive as talking to a wall - they have no real idea what the clerks and carriers contend with. Third: Mail delays. Have to define a few terms here first. 'DPS' is presorted letter mail (regular envelope size). 'Flats' are catalogs, magazines, and large envelopes. 'Full Coverage' goes in every box on the route, that's usually adverts, sometimes political fliers. 'Parcels' are large packages. 'Spars' are small packages, about the size of a paperback book. There's more, but this is enough for now. Postmasters will move heaven and hell to get the DPS out on time, regardless of edicts from on high. A lot of it is first class. Flats...can be delayed for a day or two. Not common (rare, actually), but it does happen. Usually, nobody cares. I've seen full coverage sit around on loading docks for a week or more. Again not a big deal. Political full coverage is a different matter because it gets checked on. Orders are that goes out. Leftovers go into a separate pile. Lately (past six or eight months), at least in my area (thanks to Amazon), parcels sometimes sit for a day or two in the sorting area. Shorthanded. Same with spars. Didn't used to happen. Political DPS and Flats are monitored - the people sending it out have 'eyes' to make sure it goes out, and the stuff that can't be delivered (bad addresses) goes in a separate pile which is returned to sender. Overtime? Where I'm at, at least, clerks and carriers have been racking up insane amounts of overtime. 30+ hours a week, about half of which is penalty overtime. I don't see this changing anytime soon because the bizarre edicts from on high prohibit hiring new people, even though that'd be cheaper. They try cutting back on overtime without new hires, well...a bunch more flats and parcels won't go out (DPS takes priority) and there'd be hell's own backlash from employees and customers alike. All that said, the mail never stops moving. In short, team Trump could create a mess - but not enough of a mess to significantly delay political mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Ormond said: And I believe that all human beings, even Trump, are worth sympathy. Sorry if you don't. I've come to the conclusion the last few months that policies, attitudes, and framings that speak to the universal value of everyone, and to our commonality is the good, and conversely the things that sharpen are divisions are pernicious. Even though I'm pretty sure you don't like Trump overall (or perhaps at all!), much love for your willingness to try to find the best, or at least to not assume the worst. 5 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: He may have nothing more than Graham's fear of being primaried. Trump's power within the party is that he's shown the people in charge that they actually have no control over their base... Were you to stop right there, what would be the problem actually? (Assuming you aren't taking an elitist tact where the people are too easily misled and the smart folks should make all the decisions...) I mean, if we're going to have a somewhat democratic system, shouldn't the base actually be the ones to determine who is in charge? I find your formulation there to be very anti democratic. 3 hours ago, Fragile Bird said: Did anyone mention the Friday Night Massacre at the Post Office? What a surprise. Not. Top executives were fired and a dozen managers shuffled into other jobs. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/07/friday-night-massacre-us-postal-service-postmaster-general-major-trump-donor-ousts Well the post office union already endorsed Sen. Biden, so can we really trust them to handle mail in ballots entirely fairly? If the D's are going to make the post office an electoral force, then sauce for the goose.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, mcbigski said: Were you to stop right there, what would be the problem actually? People who know someone is conning everyone, and then instead of taking a principled stand, do what's best for their own short term interests.... What could possibli go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 hours ago, mcbigski said: Well the post office union already endorsed Sen. Biden, so can we really trust them to handle mail in ballots entirely fairly? If the D's are going to make the post office an electoral force, then sauce for the goose.... So then you agree, that police unions that endorse Republicans cannot be trusted to police Democratic areas (like cities) and Democratic leaning voters (like BIPOC) entirely fairly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Sheesh. Pizzagate is making a comeback on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Trump et. al. made an historic miscalculation with this harebrained Rube Goldberg-esque scheme to try and provoke Democrats into suing over the executive orders, all in order to win some kind of stupid messaging war. Congressional Democrats won't have to sue; states will sue first, and they have much better claim to standing, i would imagine, as they'd be directly impacted by the decision. States will either opt out of the enhanced payments, or will sue to block them because they'll have to pony up an extra $100/week for everyone claiming unemployment. The orders also don't appear to address small business assistance (not that I've seen anyway), which means we will see spiking unemployment numbers in the months leading up to the election. Republicans won't be able to spin messaging about failure to come to a compromise because the news will only be covering the increasing rates of homelessness, poverty, and hunger. I'm not saying that this will ensure a Trump loss, but I am saying that the only way he'll be able to win is if the massive civil unrest interferes with voting. This is a bluff, and I'm fairly certain that Pelosi knows it's a bluff. I'm desperately hoping she's earned enough trust in her caucus, Schumer in his as well, to convince their members to hold the line. She's earned my trust: ; I was concerned by Hoyer's comments before negotiations commenced, but she has been relentless in her messaging and negotiating and has expertly avoided the many Republican land mines so far. If Democrats can hold their line, Republicans will come crawling back begging for any deal. If Democrats can hold the line for the next few weeks, they'll be able to dictate terms in the bill that gets passed. This tactic is breathtaking in its stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: Sheesh. Pizzagate is making a comeback on Facebook. You're like the third person I've heard that from in the past few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said: You're like the third person I've heard that from in the past few days. Listened to a podcast yesterday that more or less brought this up as it discussed QAnon lunacy and how it's still surging pretty much unabated in Facebook groups (the researchers they talked with have a very, very bad opinion of Facebook's inaction on these things, especially as compared to Twitter.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 17 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said: Could someone in the know explain how a campaign's private pollsters function differently than public polls? The Trump campaign keeps talking about how their internal polling is better, but i can't help but think that if Trump treats his internal polling like public polling, he probably just hired the group that most tells him what he wants to hear. Am I missing something? Polling is really expensive, which is why a lot of public firms skimp out on conducting the highest quality polls (live callers only, no IVR, no online panels). Campaigns have a larger incentive, and usually budget, to conduct the best polls they can though. So they have better potential to be accurate. However, campaign incentives are also different than public firm incentives, and they are not trying to give accurate information to the public. So they'll release the most favorable polls they can only, as a way to boost fundraising. Saving the rest of the polls for internal strategiezing. Trump is so vain and narcissistic though that he's getting high on his own supply, looking only at the numbers meant to boost his supporters, rather than the ones to guide his campaign. And he's down enough right now that there's also a good chance that these booster polls have been cooked a bit, so they aren't even just outliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 And the Trump campaign never releases polls. So I more or less assume these polls either do not exist or are simply made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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