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3 hours ago, Whiskeyjack said:

Trust me.  You aren't thinking about the market ramifications of the rule without the cap, which would make QBs an even more valuable commodity.

But I know at least one person who would think about it and possibly dedicate their draft toward making use of it, and it could cause a lot of unforeseen issues for other people who don't realize whats happening until its too late (pretty hard to recover after you've already spent your auction dollars elsewhere).

(his name rhymes with Gone, as in all of the QBs will be gone and you'll be forced to trade him your RB1 for Dwayne Haskins just so you can survive for a few weeks)
(he did it with defenses in experts one year!)
(this is meant as a compliment)

But if you cap it at 3, what happens to the remaining two starters?

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6 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

But if you cap it at 3, what happens to the remaining two starters?

Available for pickup.  If and only if a QB is dropped to acquire them.

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4 minutes ago, Bronn Stone said:

Available for pickup.  If and only if a QB is dropped to acquire them.

I didn't realize I played FF with communists! 

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Is there a successful business anyplace on Earth that adheres to Socialist principles better than the NFL?   Collective sharing of most revenue, scheduling intentionally easier for the unsuccessful and the draft order.

It has made them all rich together.

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1--2-3 but i don't like any of them and think that a full contact sweaty, gasping breath sport in the age of a pandemic is ridiculously irresponsible.

 

see: college football, where some encourage keep kids safe, and others see them as modern slaves to make money for their school/conference

 

doesnt' matter what we do, its a crap shoot and the losers will be dismissed by  bad luck.  that doesn't seem right.

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2,1,3 If I have the numbers right.

Really don't see any downside to making the 2QB spot a superflex.  If anyone ends up needing to do that it's small mercy that doesn't really affect the leagues the way changing the QB roster rules would.

If we do go to some sort of modified team QB, just make whoever is first nominated for that team stand in for everyone, even if someone puts up RG3 instead of Jackson.  Just makes it clear.  And we'll need to police that during the draft, but try to nominate the higher ranked QB in yahoo's ratings, just to keep the available players a little cleaner.

(If someone nominates Tua after Fitz say, we can just back up that second pick, like the time I nominated David Johnson, TE Pitt, with the first pick of the draft in C and the price got up to about 25 before the commish stepped in.)

Also, if we're not doing any relegation, then the little people have less to play for this year.  I propose we use the top finishers there to form up a new league next year, inferior to experts but superior to all of the other leagues, and move up people to Experts only from there.  Maybe something like first place finisher, and top 2 playoff teams so still have 2-3 teams turning over every year.  (And give each player only one team in either of the top two leagues).  Could make for more fun.

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8 hours ago, mcbigski said:

Also, if we're not doing any relegation, then the little people have less to play for this year.  I propose we use the top finishers there to form up a new league next year, inferior to experts but superior to all of the other leagues, and move up people to Experts only from there.  Maybe something like first place finisher, and top 2 playoff teams so still have 2-3 teams turning over every year.  (And give each player only one team in either of the top two leagues).  Could make for more fun.

Adding another league seems like a bad idea. Participation has gone down, not up, as far as I can tell. We've got Experts, three feeders and tie breakers with Dynasty, Keeper and Survivor (if the latter is happening) plus the Pick'em league. That's already a lot with a diminished pool.

And while yes, there is less to play for, we also for the most part all have extra time on our hands because we can't live normal lives after work, assuming you're even working. I think people will enjoy the distraction enough to dedicate 10-30 minutes a week to play with their team's roster. But if you want to make this season still have some consequences, we could carry over tiebreakers established this year to next season. 

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My vote is 1, 2, 3. 

Have heard from everyone other than Fuentez, Dunk, Race, and Groz.  At this point, would be impossible for Option 3 to win.  And the best Option 2 could do is tie, in a world where all four of them rank Option 2 first and Option 1 last.  Pretty unlikely, and since we're running out of time, going to go ahead and call it.

(Not sure if I said it before, but I gave 3 points for a 1st place vote, 2 points for a 2nd place vote, and 1 point for a 3rd place vote.  Final totals were Option 1 - 35 points, Option 2 - 27 points, Option 3 - 22 points.)

So we're going with Option 1 for this year. 

I'll follow up with a post about the draft in the next day or two.

 

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56 minutes ago, Whiskeyjack said:

So we're going with Option 1 for this year. 

I'll follow up with a post about the draft in the next day or two.

 

Democracy spoke, and I accept the decision. But we still need a few clarifications:

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1) I wouldn't want this to create an opportunity for people to corner the QB market.  This is supposed to help people, not hurt them.  So might have to put a cap on the number of QB "teams" anybody can own at any one time.  Probably a limit of 3 - meaning everyone will be able to get 3, and at least 2 others will always be available to pickup.

First, can we all agree that bidding on backups is dirty pool? We can make exceptions for Miami and Chicago, but every other team's starting QB should be the only one we can draft.

Second, to the last point, can we draft a 4th QB from the final two once everyone has three? It feels unfair to restrict this since then whoever has the top waiver spot can simply take a fourth team without having to be strategic in the draft. That feels like a huge unearned advantage, especially since you will own a team's roster of QBs so you won't have to risk not having two starters anyways unless you screw up bye weeks.

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32 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Democracy spoke, and I accept the decision. But we still need a few clarifications:

First, can we all agree that bidding on backups is dirty pool? We can make exceptions for Miami and Chicago, but every other team's starting QB should be the only one we can draft.

 

Is it dirty pool or just sort of pointless?  If the first QB drafted by a team locks down that team, it really doesnt matter if it's Don Strock or David Woodley.  As long as no one nominates another QB on the same team, no issue.  Which is why I said it would most polite to nominate the higher ranked guy, but really you guys should be able to police that during the draft.  If I have 2 year expert ticket with no relegation, then I'm going to be too fucked up at the draft to rely on to pay attention, fyi.

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12 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

First, can we all agree that bidding on backups is dirty pool? We can make exceptions for Miami and Chicago, but every other team's starting QB should be the only one we can draft.

Yeah.  We'll post a list of QBs who can be drafted.  Everyone else will be off limits.  As of right now, I think the only team where the starter is in question is Chicago.

12 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Second, to the last point, can we draft a 4th QB from the final two once everyone has three? It feels unfair to restrict this since then whoever has the top waiver spot can simply take a fourth team without having to be strategic in the draft. That feels like a huge unearned advantage, especially since you will own a team's roster of QBs so you won't have to risk not having two starters anyways unless you screw up bye weeks.

Everyone is going to be limited to a max of 3 QB situations during the year.  Nobody can have 4.  So there will always be 2 available in free agency.  If you want to add one of them, you'll have to drop one that you have on your roster.

For the draft, to make things easy, there won't be any restrictions on the number of QB you can draft.  Main reason is because it would really suck if you were bidding up a guy you didn't actually want, got stuck with him, and that counted as 1 of your 3 QB spots, preventing you from getting somebody else who you were targeting.

However, every team will be required to get down to 3 QB by a certain deadline.  Either right after the draft, where they would have to drop the extra QB.  Or maybe by noon on Wednesday September 9th - where they'd have a little time to try to trade the extra QB, but would be required to drop him if they can't find a deal.  Not sure which is best.

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22 minutes ago, mcbigski said:

Is it dirty pool or just sort of pointless?  If the first QB drafted by a team locks down that team, it really doesnt matter if it's Don Strock or David Woodley.  As long as no one nominates another QB on the same team, no issue.  Which is why I said it would most polite to nominate the higher ranked guy, but really you guys should be able to police that during the draft.  If I have 2 year expert ticket with no relegation, then I'm going to be too fucked up at the draft to rely on to pay attention, fyi.

People just need to nominate the starter and not put up the backup.  Shouldn't be too difficult.

If there's a mistake, we'll try to undo it. 

Would definitely prefer to avoid a situation where somebody like RG3 is nominated to get a laugh, and then we're all supposed to bid on him like he's L-Jax.  1) You know that will cause confusion and a few people won't bid like they normally would, and 2) at some point somebody won't get their nomination on time, and then L-Jax would go up for bid. 

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9 minutes ago, Whiskeyjack said:

Yeah.  We'll post a list of QBs who can be drafted.  Everyone else will be off limits.  As of right now, I think the only team where the starter is in question is Chicago.

I really think Miami needs to be on the list too. Or maybe just designate that those two teams can't be drafted and then we all have our pool of three, much as I hate the rule.

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Everyone is going to be limited to a max of 3 QB situations during the year.  Nobody can have 4.  So there will always be 2 available in free agency.  If you want to add one of them, you'll have to drop one that you have on your roster.

But what if you have an elite QB whose entire team is sidelined for weeks and you have to drop them? 

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For the draft, to make things easy, there won't be any restrictions on the number of QB you can draft.  Main reason is because it would really suck if you were bidding up a guy you didn't actually want, got stuck with him, and that counted as 1 of your 3 QB spots, preventing you from getting somebody else who you were targeting.

This seems counterproductive. You have to have a hard line or none. In theory if there are no pre-draft restrictions you could just draft QBs with your first 10 picks and fuck everything up.

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However, every team will be required to get down to 3 QB by a certain deadline.  Either right after the draft, where they would have to drop the extra QB.  Or maybe by noon on Wednesday September 9th - where they'd have a little time to try to trade the extra QB, but would be required to drop him if they can't find a deal.  Not sure which is best.

Establish the deadline within the next 72 hours for Experts and all feeder leagues, without ambiguity. @Jaime L

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

I really think Miami needs to be on the list too.

No problem with including Miami too.

Or maybe just designate that those two teams can't be drafted and then we all have our pool of three, much as I hate the rule.

Nah.

This seems counterproductive. You have to have a hard line or none. In theory if there are no pre-draft restrictions you could just draft QBs with your first 10 picks and fuck everything up.

I don't get why somebody would want to draft 10 QBs if they were going to be forced to drop 7 of them.  Would just be a waste of part of their draft budget, assuming they couldn't pull off a bunch of trades.  And they'd have barely any leverage in those trades, given that everyone would know the players were going to be dropped. 

That said, I think you're right that its just an unnecessary complication.  Better to just say that extra QBs that are accidentally drafted need to be dropped within a day after the draft, without any trades.  Takes away any incentive to mess with things.

But what if you have an elite QB whose entire team is sidelined for weeks and you have to drop them?

Yeah, this is something Jaime and I have talked about.  What happens if you've got a QB1 whose game is canceled due to a covid outbreak, a QB2 on bye, and a QB3 playing.  Being forced to drop the QB1 or QB2 for one of the scrubs on free agency would be rough.  Trading would be the main alternative - with the caveat that you'd have to include one of your own QBs to make it work.

I had more of an answer typed up here, but actually I need to think about it a bit before expanding on that.

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