ATaleofSalt&Onions Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 2:05 PM, Megorova said: Except current generation (Jon, Robb, etc.) in the entire family-tree of House Stark, there was no mentioning of other skinchangers. Here's your prove: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Stark#Family_tree https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Skinchanger#Known_skinchangers Also, when Bran and Rickon and Arya and Jon realised that they are wargs, they never ever mentioned anything about any of their Stark-ancestors having similar abilities. George Martin published The World of Ice and Fire book, and Fire & Blood book, and five books from the main series, and three more books from Dunk&Egg series. And NONE of them mentioned a historical Stark-skinchanger (besides current generation). That's TEN BOOKS IN TOTAL. If there were skinchangers amongst historical Starks, then GRRM would have mentioned them by now, don't you think? If a skinchanging is a family trait specific for Starks, then not to mentioned it by now, would have been the same as never mentioning until Dany that historical Targaryens, people from House Targaryen besides Dany, were also dragonlords, dragonriders, dragonseeds. I'm not sure why the Stark kids are all wargs despite the lack of other known wargs in the prior generations of the family, but it's possible it has to do with magic becoming stronger and/or that some prior Starks hid or suppressed their abilities because wargs are not viewed positively in the Seven Kingdoms, to say the least. But setting that aside, I wanted to focus on the lack of internal consistency in your argument. Your position is that the Starks inherited their warging abilities from Bloodraven's sister who was supposedly Melantha Blackwood's mother (despite there being no evidence for this), and that this ability comes from Larra Rogare, whose mother was supposedly Johanna Swann (despite there also being no evidence for this, nor for Johanna Swann being a warg, and at most a hint for Larra ). As you can probably tell, I'm pretty skeptical just from all these assumptions, but even setting that aside, you use the lack of known wargs among previous Starks as proof that this ability doesn't come from them, yet the fact that there are no known Targaryen wargs besides Bloodraven or any among the previous Starks descended from Melantha isn't a problem for your theory. Instead this can be solved by inventing more ancestral connections to Aegon IV in Catelyn's family tree and making some argument about how both parents need to have this gene. But even this reasoning still leaves several examples of prominent Targaryens who are not noted to be wargs despite fulfilling this criteria. Daeron II and his sister Daenerys were the children of Aegon IV and his sister-wife, so shouldn't they have gotten the gene from both sides? What about Aerys and Rhaella, and their children? They all had descent from Aegon IV on both sides as well. Also, why was Bloodraven a warg? Did Melissa Blackwood have this gene too? As I said at the beginning of this post, I'm not exactly sure why the warging ability is surfacing in all the Stark kids now, but I'll take the field of other possible explanations over "they have distant descent from Aegon IV (whose mother was a secret warg) on both sides through a series of connections that have no textual support." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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