Jez Bell Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 I soon turn into a pumpkin, but will be back early with answers to your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 First seen on page before Arya is being kidnapped by Sandor Clegane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 1. Not a character 2. Not an object 3. Seen on page 4. Not a Place/action/event 5. Not Words (including sayings, quotes, sigils) 6. Not first seen in AGOT or ACOK 7. Not first seen in ADWD 8. First seen in ASOS 9. Seen in more than one chapter 10. First seen in a chapter with a female POV 11. Seen in a Sansa or Arya chapter 12. Not a personal characteristic or religious idea or custom 13. First seen on page in Arya POV 14. Not an organization or collective 15. Seen before Arya is Kidnapped by Sandor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Clarification - if an event is seen in a vision, and hasn't yet happened in real life, would you classify it as an event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Castellan said: Clarification - if an event is seen in a vision, and hasn't yet happened in real life, would you classify it as an event? Good question. It depends on the vision, I suppose. I think I would define them separately, as prophecies. If the event actually happens later, then I would define it as an event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Jez Bell said: Good question. It depends on the vision, I suppose. I think I would define them separately, as prophecies. If the event actually happens later, then I would define it as an event. do you mean when it happens later it is an event, but when seen it is a prophetic vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 question 16 - is it something seen or heard on page in a vision, dream, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Castellan said: do you mean when it happens later it is an event, but when seen it is a prophetic vision? Yes. I suppose even a vision/dream is an event. But something like the prophesy of Azor Ahai has appeared in different visions. That would just be a prophesy. I guess maybe we should work that through with a few examples and set the rules. 1. Not a character 2. Not an object 3. Seen on page 4. Not a Place/action/event 5. Not Words (including sayings, quotes, sigils) 6. Not first seen in AGOT or ACOK 7. Not first seen in ADWD 8. First seen in ASOS 9. Seen in more than one chapter 10. First seen in a chapter with a female POV 11. Seen in a Sansa or Arya chapter 12. Not a personal characteristic or religious idea or custom 13. First seen on page in Arya POV 14. Not an organization or collective 15. Seen before Arya is Kidnapped by Sandor 16. Not seen or heard in a vision or dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 sigh Thought it might be one of the ghost of High Heart's visions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Spoiler There is a ghost in the machine, but Florence has the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jez Bell said: Reveal hidden contents There is a ghost in the machine, but Florence has the answer. Maybe shadow will be able to make some sense of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Aren't prophecies considered "words"? I have no clue what we are looking for anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 well I see the song referred to - and Arya only hears snatches of the tune not the words so it wouldn't under words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Florence and the Machine have the song "Jenny of the Oldstone's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Buckwheat said: Aren't prophecies considered "words"? I have no clue what we are looking for anyway. a vision might be a vision of events that have or have not happened and the person may not know which, they just relate what they see, so the listener would not know if it was a prophecy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Castellan said: well I see the song referred to - and Arya only hears snatches of the tune not the words so it wouldn't under words That's interesting! Also, "smell of death". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, a free shadow said: Florence and the Machine have the song "Jenny of the Oldstone's. Yes, and I suppose it is not words because she doesn't hear the words, and anyway I see songs aren't explicity listed under words, I did that last game but not this one. So I suppose I better guess the one about Jenny of Oldstones that Tom always plays for the ghost of high heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Castellan said: So I suppose I better guess the one about Jenny of Oldstones that Tom always plays for the ghost of high heart? You'd better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Yes, it is Jenny's Song! I have been stressed out about the answer to the question of "words". I couldn't find the lyrics in the books, so I didn't classify it as words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Jez Bell said: Yes, it is Jenny's Song! I have been stressed out about the answer to the question of "words". I couldn't find the lyrics in the books, so I didn't classify it as words. fair enough. possibly songs belong in their own category anyway. earlier I though it might be a game, which is another thing not really belonging to a category except 'customs' which is really too broad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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