Lightsnake Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 We also don't necessarily know what "eats" can mean. Stour was beaten by Leo, but ended up better than ever...well, until he fucked it up, but that's no reflection on Leo. Leo is broken, but his story clearly ain't done, either.... Rikke as the owl might make a shocking amount of sense.. Really, Ive grown attached to Orso. He's a good and kind person in ways that we rarely see in this series, for all his flaws. I'm hoping his mercy doesn't come back to bite him with Savine and Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 hours ago, jurble said: Can anyone check what the Maker's mark on Logen's sword looked like? Maybe it's an owl. I always smile when I see the brand of whisky called Maker's Mark, just as I do when I see Fray Bentos pies for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Lightsnake said: We also don't necessarily know what "eats" can mean. From the three previous instances (wolf eating sun, lion eating wolf, lamb eating lion) it seems that it means inflicting a heavy defeat in battle. Joe has stated that the third book will include "flavours of the French and Russian revolutions". Therefore, I'd assume that whoever "the owl" is will be the leader of the revolutionaries; either Pike, or whoever is their true leader (be it Glokta, Khalul, Zacharus,...). 3 hours ago, Lightsnake said: Ive grown attached to Orso. He's a good and kind person in ways that we rarely see in this series, for all his flaws. I'm with you here, but I'm really fearful about Orso's fate. I see many similarities between him, Louis XVI and Nicholas Romanov: well-intentioned ineffectual kings, considered half-foreigners by their subjects because of their mother's origins, whose fathers died young bequeathing them troubled realms beyond the point of repair, and that didn't really understand the scope of the tide that was coming. I'm afraid that the parallels with the French and Russian revolutions extend to the fate of the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, The hairy bear said: From the three previous instances (wolf eating sun, lion eating wolf, lamb eating lion) it seems that it means inflicting a heavy defeat in battle. Joe has stated that the third book will include "flavours of the French and Russian revolutions". Therefore, I'd assume that whoever "the owl" is will be the leader of the revolutionaries; either Pike, or whoever is their true leader (be it Glokta, Khalul, Zacharus,...). I'm with you here, but I'm really fearful about Orso's fate. I see many similarities between him, Louis XVI and Nicholas Romanov: well-intentioned ineffectual kings, considered half-foreigners by their subjects because of their mother's origins, whose fathers died young bequeathing them troubled realms beyond the point of repair, and that didn't really understand the scope of the tide that was coming. I'm afraid that the parallels with the French and Russian revolutions extend to the fate of the king. Nicholas II and Louis XVI were foolish and ineffectual. I don't think Orso is either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Lightsnake said: We also don't necessarily know what "eats" can mean. Stour was beaten by Leo, but ended up better than ever...well, until he fucked it up, but that's no reflection on Leo. Leo is broken, but his story clearly ain't done, either.... 2 hours ago, The hairy bear said: From the three previous instances (wolf eating sun, lion eating wolf, lamb eating lion) it seems that it means inflicting a heavy defeat in battle. After reading ALH, I wasn't sure any of that vision had actually occurred, but I suppose it did up to the lamb eating the lion. But how did the wolf eat the sun? Stour never invaded the Union proper, just the Protectorate. Was the burning of Uffrith meant to represent the wolf eating the sun? And besides the heavy defeat, there's also the mercy shown at the end. Leo lets Stour live, and they become allies, Orso lets Leo live, and... we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I think allies needs heavy quotation marks around it given Stour's thoughts on Leo is "lol useful moron" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 7 hours ago, SeanF said: Nicholas II and Louis XVI were foolish and ineffectual. I don't think Orso is either. I agree. They were both naïve in ways that I don't think Orso is. Neither of them really thought they would, you know, die, whereas Orso knows and understands there are factions trying to kill him. Nicholas II was also super-religious to the point of passivity (at least when Rasputin wasn't telling him to go to the front). Louis didn't seem to believe the Revolution was actually happening and didn't have the force of personality or interest in stopping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I somehow missed what this was. I just ordered the book. I found the first installment interesting enough to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Rikke rhymes with pricker. Tricky Rikke and Sticky Rikke just doesn’t sound as good than if Rikke was pronounced “Ricky”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 hours ago, The hairy bear said: From the three previous instances (wolf eating sun, lion eating wolf, lamb eating lion) it seems that it means inflicting a heavy defeat in battle. Joe has stated that the third book will include "flavours of the French and Russian revolutions". Therefore, I'd assume that whoever "the owl" is will be the leader of the revolutionaries; either Pike, or whoever is their true leader (be it Glokta, Khalul, Zacharus,...). I'm with you here, but I'm really fearful about Orso's fate. I see many similarities between him, Louis XVI and Nicholas Romanov: well-intentioned ineffectual kings, considered half-foreigners by their subjects because of their mother's origins, whose fathers died young bequeathing them troubled realms beyond the point of repair, and that didn't really understand the scope of the tide that was coming. I'm afraid that the parallels with the French and Russian revolutions extend to the fate of the king. I agree with you on both counts. Joe's set up Orso only to knock him down. I think Broad is owl because of the glasses. I don't think there is a man behind the revolutionaries (Khalul is wounded or dead, Zacharus is in the Empire, Glokta is loathed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 5:40 PM, The hairy bear said: And we've already seen Joe doing the story of a well-intentioned veteran saying that he'd had enough of violence but feels attracted to it and can't help but putting himself in violent situations. Provided there's not something significant for him to do in the third book, I think that the trilogy could have done without the character. And much better story at that. On 9/15/2020 at 5:40 PM, The hairy bear said: It seems that the relationship between Savine and Orso is a widely spread rumour in Adua, as per Selest dan Heugen's comments. If so, one would expect that there would be tons of serious gossip about the paternity of Savine's child. [Savine seems to be sure that it's Leo's, and if, as it seems to be, she and Orso didn't have sex after Valbeck it's a sure thing]. I'm aware that this can still be a plot point during the next book, but I think that it's something that almost every character should have considered by now. It kinda seems Leo was too quick to drop the issue of him being the father of Savine’s future child. Like it should have been a major contention for Leo this manly man, is okay with potentially being made a cuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 In ”A little hatred” Leo and Stour seemed to be a living a version of Logen. Leo the brave courageous hero who'd show mercy to his enemies in the circle. Stour the mass murdering psychopathic warrior King. Troubles with peace seems to have them follow Gloka’s journey. After extremely military success, they rush into a battle and as a result have their bodies destroyed, their reputation as someone worthy of respect finished. Savine seems to have married someone who turned-at least physically as of now-to be like her father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: And much better story at that. It kinda seems Leo was too quick to drop the issue of him being the father of Savine’s future child. Like it should have been a major contention for Leo this manly man, is okay with potentially being made a cuck. If the child is even born OK. So much alcohol is going through that kid. Not to mention whatever the hell pearl dust might be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said: If the child is even born OK. So much alcohol is going through that kid. Not to mention whatever the hell pearl dust might be doing. Oh yeah, given it's a product of incest, Savine’s drug abuse, her body being tossed around in war, I think it's reasonable to think the baby will turn out to have so many problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Oh yeah, given it's a product of incest, Savine’s drug abuse, her body being tossed around in war, I think it's reasonable to think the baby will turn out to have so many problems. @The hairy bear checked the timeline. It can't be Orso's kid unless Savine has been pregnant for over twelve months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Drake Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 9:30 AM, jurble said: @The hairy bear checked the timeline. It can't be Orso's kid unless Savine has been pregnant for over twelve months. Are you certain? I imagined that maybe a month, at the very longest, passed between Savine having sex with Orso and her having sex with Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jerry Drake said: Are you certain? I imagined that maybe a month, at the very longest, passed between Savine having sex with Orso and her having sex with Leo. Closer to two months. I believe it is mentioned early in this book that about 4 months passed since Savine met Leo, and about 6 since the Valbeck uprising. By the way a lot of travelling took place in this book, all in less than 9 months for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Drake Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Corvinus85 said: Closer to two months. I believe it is mentioned early in this book that about 4 months passed since Savine met Leo, and about 6 since the Valbeck uprising. By the way a lot of travelling took place in this book, all in less than 9 months for sure. How long did she stay in Valbeck? It wasnt all one day, I assumed it lasted a couple of weeks, potentially bringing the dates closer. I was certain she was carrying Orso's child as I was reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jerry Drake said: How long did she stay in Valbeck? It wasnt all one day, I assumed it lasted a couple of weeks, potentially bringing the dates closer. I was certain she was carrying Orso's child as I was reading I assumed the 6 month timeline was taken from when the uprising ended, not when it began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick of House Guinness Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Quote Zuri; "When did your menses last come?" Savine; "Just before Leo dan Brock's visit to Adua" A Sea of Change, The Trouble with Peace The child is not Orso's. Unless she has slept with someone other than Leo in the meantime, he is definitely the father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.