Zorral Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Is the title a play on the 1841 classic work, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/the-19th-century-book-that-helps-us-understand-the-allure--and-perils--of-social-media/2019/04/03/1879def6-5576-11e9-9136-f8e636f1f6df_story.html How classic this work is, well, here we go with an extreme right take: The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity (2019) by Douglas Murray https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/sep/19/the-madness-of-crowds-review-gender-race-identity-douglas-murray The usual take has been that crowds provide unwisdom, so to speak . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 17 hours ago, mormont said: The owl on an axe basically confirms that the Owl is Broad. He has an axe and lightning tattoo, and uses an axe in several scenes. I mean, if Broad didn't play into the final story in a significant way, it'd be a waste of character, wouldn't it? I see why we have his perspective, but he, thus far, isn't really a character I've cared too much about. He's felt like a bespectacled shade of Logen Ninefingers at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 18 hours ago, Jaxom 1974 said: I mean, if Broad didn't play into the final story in a significant way, it'd be a waste of character, wouldn't it? I see why we have his perspective, but he, thus far, isn't really a character I've cared too much about. He's felt like a bespectacled shade of Logen Ninefingers at times... Joe does seem to hit this character pretty hard in his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 16 hours ago, Ninefingers said: Joe does seem to hit this character pretty hard in his books. To be honest using these character more than once isn’t bad. It just needs to provide some interesting dynamics or add enjoyable conflict to the story. Also I find what made Logen, shivers, Monza, temple(he wasn’t a fighter but he was a mercenary) and Craw most interesting was that there was a question on how genuine their desire to actually leave their violent lifestyle was. There was never a question for Broad. He’s a fundamentally uninteresting character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Anyone else get the impression Bayaz may be depressed? Compared to how he acted earlier in the series he just seems tired, fatigued, and going through the motions. There was a passion to him when he was on page when he was engaging with someone. Idk. To me it looks like he’s in a bit of a slump. He’s accomplished his goal of defeating the prophet but that does leave a vacuum on what exactly he’s supposed to be striving for. The union itself was merely a tool he crafted to use against an enemy who looks to be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzin Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 On 5/27/2021 at 7:57 PM, Varysblackfyre321 said: Anyone else get the impression Bayaz may be depressed? Compared to how he acted earlier in the series he just seems tired, fatigued, and going through the motions. There was a passion to him when he was on page when he was engaging with someone. Idk. To me it looks like he’s in a bit of a slump. He’s accomplished his goal of defeating the prophet but that does leave a vacuum on what exactly he’s supposed to be striving for. The union itself was merely a tool he crafted to use against an enemy who looks to be gone. Yeah without his fight with Khalul what is the piont? This is why I don't think he's behind the revolution I think evetns will pass him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Darzin said: Yeah without his fight with Khalul what is the piont? This is why I don't think he's behind the revolution I think evetns will pass him by. Yeah whether the union devolves within a year or a thousand it probably won’t matter to him at this point because well there’s no longer a purpose to it. Keep it on for respect and legacy? His first appearance comes with him having living somewhere relatively isolated in the north with his very existence being co-signed as myth by most people.he’s not even offended when saline fails to appreciate his greatness. He didn’t submerge himself in a particularly opulent lifestyle despite his vast wealth. He doesn’t even have Glockta’s motivation to preserve power to protect a loved one. Hes the most powerful man in the world but there’s nothing he seems to want to do with it. Oh I just remembered this interaction between Bayaz and logen. “What have I done?” Bayaz snorted with disbelieving laughter. “I combined three pure disciplines of magic, and I forged a new one! It seems you do not understand the achievement, Master Ninefingers, but I forgive you. I realise that book-learning has never been your strongest suit. Such a thing has not been contemplated since before the Old Time, when Euz split his gifts among his sons.” Bayaz sighed. “None will appreciate my greatest achievement, it seems. None except Khalul, perhaps, and it is unlikely he will ever proffer his congratulations.” I think Kahul was the only person Bayaz could truly call a peer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 But we don't really know that the Prophet is indeed defeated. All our information on that is secondhand and from unreliable sources. We can be sure there's significant turmoil in the Gurkish empire, but it remains to be seen whether Khalul is regrouping somewhere or truly dead and gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Maithanet said: But we don't really know that the Prophet is indeed defeated. All our information on that is secondhand and from unreliable sources. We can be sure there's significant turmoil in the Gurkish empire, but it remains to be seen whether Khalul is regrouping somewhere or truly dead and gone. That possibility is fair to bring up. I don’t think it’s likely though or at the very least we’ll know by the need of the next book. I think at least Bayaz does not think the prophet is still a threat and that he has accomplished his lifetime goal, with no one including Bayaz hyping up the conflict between the two in the present tense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 12 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: or at the very least we’ll know by the need of the next book. This is a good point to bring up. How many plot threads do we think Joe will tie up by the end of the next book, and do we think we can expect any further novels based in the same world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzin Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 6:24 PM, Relic said: This is a good point to bring up. How many plot threads do we think Joe will tie up by the end of the next book, and do we think we can expect any further novels based in the same world? His next novel isn't set in the First Law universe, but I bet sooner or later he'll come back after taking a break. Similar to what he did with his young adult series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 23 hours ago, Darzin said: His nest novel isn't set in the First Law universe, but I bet sooner or later he'll come back after taking a break. Similar to what he did with his young adult series. What do you mean? Is he going back to the Shattered Sea world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzin Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 21 hours ago, BigFatCoward said: What do you mean? Is he going back to the Shattered Sea world? I meant that he wrote three books in the Shattered Sea world, then returned to the world of the First Law. His new book is in an entirely new world with elves and demons and popes, but I bet eventually he'll write another First Law book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Ha. While looking for the last WoT thread, I spotted the previous Abercrombie thread still clinging to life in a sea of death on page 5. Poor thing, abandoned before it's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Review copies for the last book going out, hoping to snag one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Werthead said: Review copies for the last book going out, hoping to snag one. @Joe Abercrombie Give Werthead a review copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/13/2021 at 11:51 PM, A True Kaniggit said: @Joe Abercrombie Give Werthead a review copy! Give us all a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/13/2021 at 11:41 PM, Werthead said: Review copies for the last book going out, hoping to snag one. Then please tell us what’s in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 For anyone who is interested, I just checked and Waterstones has opened the pre-order for signed editions of the new book https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-wisdom-of-crowds/joe-abercrombie/9781473234949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just 16 days to publication now. For those that want them, there are a couple of spoilers on Goodreads. i wonder if Piccadilly Waterstones will start selling them early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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