Red Wedding Survivors

[TheLastWolf]

7 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said:

Story convenience. The only reason that some certain people lived and others died was to serve the plot.

[GoldenGail3]

7 hours ago, TheLastWolf said:

That's the idea

eh i had a rather childish notion... 

[CamiloRP]

10 hours ago, James Steller said:

Robb would have to be a prisoner for the rest of his life. As soon as he dies or gets released, his value as a hostage is gone

Every hostage looses their value as a hostage as soon as they're released or die, because they stop being hostages.

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so you’d have to imprison him inside Casterly Rock or something and keep him there as long as he’s alive.

I see no problem with keeping him in the rock as long as he's alive. They're doing that with Edmure, Greatjon, and others.

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And even if the North never frees Robb, he could always kill himself

If Robb kills himself then they're in the same situation they're right now.

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or the North might decide it doesn’t care anymore and rallies around a new leader, be damned whether or not Robb is executed in response. A hostage’s power can disappear with a change in popularity.

It's seriously doubtful that they'd do that, it's The North, and Tywin knows that. Also that new person wouldn't have as strong a claim, if they aren't a Stark, then The North won't be united, I can't see the mountain clans following a Risewel or a Kastark, neither can I see the Manderlys doing that, and so many other houses. If they are a Stark, their claim is weakened by having Robb alive, and also, it's doubtful they would revel when their brother is a hostage. But even so, if The North decides to name a new king and keep fighting, they're in the same situation they are right now.

 

[Groo]

The whole hostage thing is a bit strange. The Freys clearly had a massacre in mind from the beginning. From the savage mockery they made of Robb's corpse and Catelyn's death to systematically wiping out all the Northern soldiers, they seem to only have had death in mind. So why take any prisoners at all? What happened to Dacey is a good example of what the Freys had in mind from the beginning. She was in dress with nothing more threatening than a flagon of wine yet they hacked her down with a longaxe.

[Bernie Mac]

4 hours ago, Groo said:

The whole hostage thing is a bit strange. The Freys clearly had a massacre in mind from the beginning. From the savage mockery they made of Robb's corpse and Catelyn's death

Cat was never meant to die.

"So Lord Walder slew him under his own roof, at his own table?" Tyrion made a fist. "What of Lady Catelyn?"

"Slain as well, I'd say. A pair of wolfskins. Frey had intended to keep her captive, but perhaps something went awry."

 

She kind of forced Walder's hand in that regard.

4 hours ago, Groo said:

 

to systematically wiping out all the Northern soldiers, they seem to only have had death in mind.

I'd say that was more for Roose. He can't take the North if there are more soldiers loyal to other factions.

4 hours ago, Groo said:

 

So why take any prisoners at all?

To keep the peace, make profit as they ransom them back to their Houses. The reason why noble hostages are always taken.

4 hours ago, Groo said:

 

What happened to Dacey is a good example of what the Freys had in mind from the beginning. She was in dress with nothing more threatening than a flagon of wine yet they hacked her down with a longaxe.

No, I think Dacey dies because she is a pretty ferocious warrior who was noy going to simply lay down and surrender

Young Ser Benfrey had seized Dacey Mormont by the arm, but Catelyn saw her grab up a flagon of wine with her other hand, smash it full in his face, and run for the door. It flew open before she reached it. Ser Ryman Frey pushed into the hall, clad in steel from helm to heel. A dozen Frey men-at-arms packed the door behind him. They were armed with heavy longaxes.

They'd probably have preferred to take her hostage. She chose a warriors' death.

[Bernie Mac]

21 hours ago, GoldenGail3 said:

Why? He's the only competent and rule worthy child of Walder Frey.

 

We don;t know that at all. We are pretty clueless on the characters and capabilities of most of the Freys.

Lothar, as steward and older sibling of the Frey-Blackwood branch, has a decent amount of power and influence within the Twins, but this does not make him the only competent member.

[James Steller]

2 hours ago, Bernie Mac said:

 

Young Ser Benfrey had seized Dacey Mormont by the arm, but Catelyn saw her grab up a flagon of wine with her other hand, smash it full in his face, and run for the door. It flew open before she reached it. Ser Ryman Frey pushed into the hall, clad in steel from helm to heel. A dozen Frey men-at-arms packed the door behind him. They were armed with heavy longaxes.

They'd probably have preferred to take her hostage. She chose a warriors' death.

She’s an unarmed woman running for her life. How is that a warrior’s death? She’s literally running away from her injured king despite being his bodyguard. She posed no threat against Ryman Frey when he butchers her.

[Canon Claude]

Just now, James Steller said:

She’s an unarmed woman running for her life. How is that a warrior’s death? She’s literally running away from her injured king despite being his bodyguard. She posed no threat against Ryman Frey when he butchers her.

You're wrong about Dacey Mormont, she was not running away because she's a coward, she was running to raise the Northern soldiers outside the Twins. It would be super out of character for Dacey to just run away and try to save her own skin after all we know about her. Smalljon already flipped that table to cover the king, she didn't have to stand guard over him, and moreover, what would have been the point? She's got no weapons or armour on, the best thing to do was rally Robb's loyal troops.