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Controversy over transphobia in J.K Rowling's new book

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I doubt that Rowling is being opportunistic. It doesn’t fit with any other thing she has done, other than pound the pavement looking for a publisher and recklessly haunting cafes to write in with baby in tow. She opportunistically lives in Britain, where she agrees with paying large amounts of taxes as her way to give back.  Even so, she supports charities. Harry Potter was about wizards, sure, but it was also endorsing resistance, self defense. and self sacrifice. She still gets her books burned because of the make- believe occultism.if she doesn’t get trans entirely, lots of people don’t. If you believe that young people were rashly subverting puberty on a lark, it may horrify. I think  the decision is  much more innate and careful, but that just my opinion. I don’t really think anyone on high doses of hormones should be competing, other than on a privately owned team. If you want allies, I would resist calling strong willed women feminazi. It’s a turn off for sure. Also you guys are standing on our shoulders...you’re welcome. I would benefit from your stories.

what she may have done is had her eye was caught by this story and it’s topical

 

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3 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

It’s anger at the knowledge Rowlings rhetoric does make the world for trans people more dangerous than it already is.

Promoting Ideas can have real world consequences.

Just to agree with you, the UK government is not going ahead with changes to the GRA and you're kidding yourself if you think that wasn't influenced by the minority but very vocal opposition which includes JKs shit storm on the issue.

We're not just talking about harm directly to trans people from her words, we're not even just talking about the way her words can inspire hatred towards trans people on the individual level. We're talking using your influence to reinforce institutional oppression against a minority that seeks to make us tear our identities apart and pretend we don't exist so that we don't offend others with our mere existence.

That's a hell of a lot more than just "not getting trans", and surely if you respect her you can hold her to a higher fucking standard than "I don't understand something, therefore rather than actually getting informed on the subject I'll just join a large campaign dedicated to suppressing the rights of a minority". It's not something that happens by accident ffs.

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1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Bullshit. She's been on this shit for years, and yeah, it's fucking dangerous and offensive.

Well I'd appreciate if you could enlighten me since I'm behind on the subject. 

I thought it started with the post about menstruation. 

 

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4 hours ago, karaddin said:

Just to agree with you, the UK government is not going ahead with changes to the GRA and you're kidding yourself if you think that wasn't influenced by the minority but very vocal opposition which includes JKs shit storm on the issue

It is not a minority view. If you check out YouGov polling data it shows that while the majority of the country support trans rights and don’t have a problem with changing sex, the majority of people think laws shouldn’t be made easier than the existing ones. 
 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

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Men being disappointing in that survey as per usual.

Not surprised the conservatives are a bunch of bigots though.

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16 minutes ago, Raja said:

Men being disappointing in that survey as per usual.

Not surprised the conservatives are a bunch of bigots though.

The non change of law is reflected by the opinions of the majority of people within the country. That’s the point. 

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7 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

The non change of law is reflected by the opinions of the majority of people within the country. That’s the point. 

I'm not even talking about that though. My post wasn't a response to your conversation with karaddin. Twas a reading of the survey :dunno:

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3 hours ago, Heartofice said:

It is not a minority view. If you check out YouGov polling data it shows that while the majority of the country support trans rights and don’t have a problem with changing sex, the majority of people think laws shouldn’t be made easier than the existing ones. 
 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

What exactly is your view of Rowling’s Transphobia?

So far you haven’t directly addressed that.

Mostly just the offense her transphobia generated

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11 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

What exactly is your view of Rowling’s Transphobia?

So far you haven’t directly addressed that.

Mostly just the offense her transphobia generated

Haha! I know you’ve been dying to get that out of me. Continuously looking for an argument. You wonder why I always laugh at your posts?

Ok sure. This time I’ll bite. Even though I really didn’t want to go into it because it’s shaky grounds and I don’t honestly have a strong opinion on it, and am happy to be proven wrong.

What I think is that I’m not entirely convinced that Rowling is a transphobe, as in I don’t think she hates trans people or is scared of them or wants to discriminate against them. 
 

What I do think is that her opinions are based on her own feminists viewpoint, and of her own experience, painting herself and other women as victims, victims of men, men who she sees as violent oppressors. I think that her uninformed preoccupation with who can use toilets and changing rooms is because she has a fear that relaxed laws will be abused by men, because she doesn’t trust men. 
 

This is why I suspect she really has little interest in the wellbeing of trans people or any strong opinions on trans rights. What she cares about is protecting women and children, and that’s why she’s so convinced of her own goodness.

I also think she is wrong on a number of issues, like the above ‘toilet’ thing, I’ve read enough on it to see that her fears have no foundation. But being wrong and uninformed doesn’t make her a transphobe. In fact her views seem to be in line with the vast majority of the British population.

What I also think, as I mentioned above, is that she hasn’t handled the backlash well, and that she has gotten caught in a web of having to double down on her opinions, rather than shut up about them. Her own sense of entitlement and victimhood has led her to think that she could never be in the wrong on anything, and so she’s going out of her way to try and win an argument, on an issue I suspect she actually in her heart doesn’t care about.

Its pretty obvious I don’t like her, I think she is a shit person, and I’ve seen this pattern of her behaviour before. But I am not convinced she is a transphobe, but as I said, I am open to the idea that she harbours those thoughts. I don’t have any certainty about what other people think , unlike a lot of people who claim empathy as some sort of psychic power.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/ew.com/movies/fantastic-beasts-franchise-future-jk-rowling/%3famp=true

I know most would have seen this or something like this, but still... 

JK Rowling seems to have problems with anything she does. Cormoran Strike to Newt Scamander. 

Spoiler

Star Johnny Depp plays the franchise's villain Gellert Grindelwald and has been under fire for years due to domestic violence allegations made by his ex-wife Amber Heard.

Ezra Miller - Choking episode

Rowling - well.... Which one to say first? 

 

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I wonder if, now there’s been a new statement on the legal situation, Rowling will come to the sudden shocking realisation that toilets are, and always have been, open for entry to her nightmare scenario of predatory men dressed in women’s clothing, regardless of whether they have a gender recognition certificate in their back pocket.

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don't get the connection to "righteous Twitter mobs". 

the colloquy on page one of the thread concerned the mobs aforesaid drawing unsavory inferences about her pseudonym, as i recall it?

that said, somewhat cynical to assume bad faith in concluding that kindly interlocutors anger themselves needlessly?

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[mod] I've had enough of having to read a bunch of cisgender people talk out of their asses about my lived experience and that of @karaddin purely for the entertainment value of bloviating on the internet. Topic closed, and please do not open another thread on it. Thank you. [/mod]

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