Angel Eyes Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 So Tywin doesn't like Tyrion's hedonistic whoring (among other things about him) and considers him an embarrassment to the family because of it, right? So why doesn't he just refuse to give him money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davjos Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 A Lannister always pays his debt. He hates Tyrion most because of how he reflects on the House. Tyrion leaving a bill unpaid reflects even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Davjos said: A Lannister always pays his debt. He hates Tyrion most because of how he reflects on the House. Tyrion leaving a bill unpaid reflects even worse. So if he doesn’t like how he reflects on the house, why not take away the means to embarrass the house (money)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davjos Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Angel Eyes said: So if he doesn’t like how he reflects on the house, why not take away the means to embarrass the house (money)? Because it is his existence, Tyrion’s deformities combined with his personality which is what Tywin hates and deems unworthy of a True Lannister. It’s not Tyrion’s actions. Much had been written here about the hypocrisy of Tywin Lannister. It’s not the whoremongering Tywin has a problem with, its how. Tyrion is a Lannister and while he is below every other Lannister, he is above everybody else according to Tywin. tywin forces Tyrion to pay Tysha, which I see as a symptom of Tywins arrogance. Tywin is the kind of guy who thinks that if Lannister would enter a brothel, he should go for the most expensive option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 You could ask something similar of Lord Walder Frey. Why doesn't he kick his sons out of the castle and have them earn their coin. Being born into a noble house can sort of limit what is acceptable to do for work. Being sword for hire is apparently okay but farming is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: So Tywin doesn't like Tyrion's hedonistic whoring (among other things about him) and considers him an embarrassment to the family because of it, right? So why doesn't he just refuse to give him money? Tywin had a filial obligation to support Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Having Tyrion out earning money or worse, begging for it, would be an embarrassment to the House. It would show everyone else that a Lannister does not always pay their debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 17 hours ago, Here's Looking At You, Kid said: Tywin had a filial obligation to support Tyrion. Even when his money is going towards something that Tywin outwardly thumbs his nose at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Angel Eyes said: Even when his money is going towards something that Tywin outwardly thumbs his nose at? Tywin was a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: Even when his money is going towards something that Tywin outwardly thumbs his nose at? That's the thing with an obligation. You must still fullfill it when you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Mac Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 2:24 AM, Rondo said: You could ask something similar of Lord Walder Frey. Why doesn't he kick his sons out of the castle and have them earn their coin. Well we know why Walder does it. His father was querulous and stubborn, with an iron will and a wasp's tongue, but he did believe in taking care of his own. All of his own, even the ones who had displeased and disappointed him. Even the ones whose names he can't remember. Once he was gone, though . . . When Ser Stevron had been heir, that was one thing. The old man had been grooming Stevron for sixty years, and had pounded it into his head that blood was blood. Quote Being born into a noble house can sort of limit what is acceptable to do for work. Being sword for hire is apparently okay but farming is not. Tyrion is not going to be given work as a farmer. Perhaps as a steward, like Lame Lothar, is something he could have done had he been interested in working. On 9/19/2020 at 12:57 AM, Angel Eyes said: So Tywin doesn't like Tyrion's hedonistic whoring (among other things about him) and considers him an embarrassment to the family because of it, right? So why doesn't he just refuse to give him money? Okay, one of the big misconceptions in the series is Tywin, Tyrion and the whoring issue. Tywin's got no issues with whores, there are whores in his war camp, brothels in Lannisport and Kings Landing while he was Hand. Tywin does not care about whoring. Tyrion is in his mid 20's, been whoring for a decade by the events of AGOT. Tyrion does what many young nobles do, such as Edmure, but because of his size he stands out more. Tywin may not have been pleased with Tyrion's lifestyle, but it was not an issue worthy of refusing him money/locking him up. What Tywin did have a problem with was Tyrion's tendency to fall in love with such paramours. He knew this was a weakness in his son and something that could be used against him when the Lannisters are fighting a civil war to keep control of the realm. Tywin becomes furious with Tyrion when he hears that he threatened the lives of his royal grandson over the safety of a whore. This, and not simply whoring, is what infuriates Tywin. Tyrion simply can not be trusted in his father's eyes at that point. Tywin is not going to cut off a Lannister for whoring, drinking and gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 11:57 AM, Angel Eyes said: Even when his money is going towards something that Tywin outwardly thumbs his nose at? It is an obligation. Tywin doesn't have to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reekazoid Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 3:03 PM, Bernie Mac said: ... What Tywin did have a problem with was Tyrion's tendency to fall in love with such paramours. He knew this was a weakness in his son and something that could be used against him when the Lannisters are fighting a civil war to keep control of the realm. ... This! I also suspect that Tywin’s disgust and resentment over Tytos’ behavior regarding his own paramour may have played into the intensity of this disapproval for Tyrion’s actions. From AFWD Epilogue: Quote It was not unknown for a widowed lord to keep a common girl as bedwarmer … but Lord Tytos soon began seating the woman beside him in the hall, showering her with gifts and honors, even asking her views on matters of state. Within a year she was dismissing servants, ordering about his household knights, even speaking for his lordship when he was indisposed. She grew so influential that it was said about Lannisport that any man who wished for his petition to be heard should kneel before her and speak loudly to her lap … for Tytos Lannister's ear was between his lady's legs. She had even taken to wearing their mother's jewels. Until the day their lord father's heart had burst in his chest as he was ascending a steep flight of steps to her bed, that is. All the self-seekers who had named themselves her friends and cultivated her favor had abandoned her quickly enough when Tywin had her stripped naked and paraded through Lannisport to the docks, like a common whore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 OP Because Tywin himself whores around secretly. His father's mistress. The tunnel to Chataya's for a Hand who wanted to save his honor. Shae in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Mac Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 51 minutes ago, TheLastWolf said: OP Because Tywin himself whores around secretly. His father's mistress. The tunnel to Chataya's for a Hand who wanted to save his honor. Shae in the end. How does that answer OP's question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Bernie Mac said: How does that answer OP's question? He feels hypocritical. Tywin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 4:03 PM, Bernie Mac said: Well we know why Walder does it. His father was querulous and stubborn, with an iron will and a wasp's tongue, but he did believe in taking care of his own. All of his own, even the ones who had displeased and disappointed him. Even the ones whose names he can't remember. Once he was gone, though . . . When Ser Stevron had been heir, that was one thing. The old man had been grooming Stevron for sixty years, and had pounded it into his head that blood was blood. Pretty good family values. It can be both a good thing and a bad thing. Good in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Mac Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 4 hours ago, TheLastWolf said: He feels hypocritical. Tywin How would that be hypocritical? OP is asking Tywin did not cut off Tyrion due to his lifestyle. For Tywin to be a hypocrite in OP's question Tywin would have had to have cut off other Lannisters for their lifestyle and chose to still fund Tyrion's. As is it Tyrion was treated like any other Lannister, allowed to spend their House's money as they please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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