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One other thing to watch is just how high turnout is.  Part of the reason Trump is constantly harping on election fraud and chaos is that if people think the vote is rigged they won't bother to vote.  And by people I mean Democrats, because Trump's people are gonna show up.  2016 turnout was 136 million.  Given how high voter intensity is right now, it ought to be above 150 million in 2020.  Conventional wisdom is that higher turnout benefits the democrats, but it of course depends on who those voters are. 

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1 hour ago, The Great Unwashed said:

If Democrats win the Senate and presidency, the Trump kids will go away for good. I don't know what the consensus is on the politics of prosecuting a former president, but I'm always going to advocate for the route of making a public spectacle, preferably guillotines.

Typically it’s a really bad look to go after your predecessors in what looks like political retribution, but in this instance it’s necessary. These grifters and crooks need to be made an example of.

Same goes for Barr.  

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39 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Typically it’s a really bad look to go after your predecessors in what looks like political retribution, but in this instance it’s necessary. These grifters and crooks need to be made an example of.

Same goes for Barr.  

I was thinking of the same thing.  It might be tough to go after the president, but anyone who worked for him, should be put under a microscope.

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36 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Typically it’s a really bad look to go after your predecessors in what looks like political retribution, but in this instance it’s necessary. These grifters and crooks need to be made an example of.

Agreed. If this leads to it being SOP to investigate your predecessor in order to find / make up dirt, I'm completely fine with that. I'd rather put up with the partisan bullshit that would ensue rather than let shady/unlawful practices go unpunished. It's not like congress is doing anything productive anyway. :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Damn it, my phone won’t let me actually have enough space for a reply, but here it is -

That is FRAUD. That is not a “feature” of our tax system.

Also, it seems that in addition to his outright fraud previously mentioned, most of his “business” expenses are really personal expenses, and the IRS needs to get after him, and for more than just the ongoing refund investigation.

Considering that he tried to open a fraudulent university and ran a fraudulent charity, was already convicted of fraud in running a casino, fraudulent tax returns seem to be an easy step for him.

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48 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

One other thing to watch is just how high turnout is.  Part of the reason Trump is constantly harping on election fraud and chaos is that if people think the vote is rigged they won't bother to vote.  And by people I mean Democrats, because Trump's people are gonna show up.  2016 turnout was 136 million.  Given how high voter intensity is right now, it ought to be above 150 million in 2020.  Conventional wisdom is that higher turnout benefits the democrats, but it of course depends on who those voters are. 

Total number of registered voters in 2018 was 153 million, down from 157 m in 2016. Assuming 2020 outstrips 2016 by ~5 million, that is still an exceeding high percent of registered voters we anticipate to come out. I'd suggest high 130s-low 140s might be more realistic

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37 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Total number of registered voters in 2018 was 153 million, down from 157 m in 2016. Assuming 2020 outstrips 2016 by ~5 million, that is still an exceeding high percent of registered voters we anticipate to come out. I'd suggest high 130s-low 140s might be more realistic

150 million voters is a tall order, although I think it's possible.  There were 131 million voters in 2008, and the US population has grown by approximately 10% since then.  That would give us 145 million voters, with 2008 levels of engagement and I think that 2020 will exceed that.  In addition, lots of states have made it easier to vote because of COVID, which could realistically nudge the number up some (although COVID also might scare some people away, so who knows).   

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2 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I doubt his attorney has anyone but Trump as a client, or has a very small client base.

There’s a difference between “grey area” (was that three-martini lunch really strictly a business lunch) and outright fraud.

He's got Giuliani, who else does he need for anything? So much smarter and more beautiful than that loser, Michael Cohen, disbarred, in house arrest, publishing books.

If he isn't able to steal the election, he and everyone in his family and many others are facing federal and state criminal indictments for multiple crimes of bank fraud, mail fraud, -- every kind of fraud there is -- tax evasion, etc. -- i.e. seriously, just like the racketeers before. Plus, the cases of sexual assault haven't gone away either.

So he's got to be prosecuted and punished.

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3 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said:

At some point, don't the billionaires backing Trump asking themselves whether it's in their best interests to continue to do so, considering just how much fucking attention among the hoi polloi he draws to exactly how they carry out their bullshit tax dodging among?

If the unwashed masses figure out that billionaires are buying up $21 million estates and using them as charitable contribution tax write-offs via conservation easement deductions, well, those smelly ingrates might start to figure out the whole thing is a scam.

I'm sorry, but billionaires, "billionaires," and even corporations avoiding paying taxes is hardly unique to the Trumps.  There's been story upon story about this for decades.  People just don't care.  That's the insidious aspect of the American Dream.  Every imagines when they grow up, get rich, and don't have to pay taxes.

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Just now, DMC said:

I'm sorry, but billionaires, "billionaires," and even corporations avoiding paying taxes is hardly unique to the Trumps.  There's been story upon story about this for decades.  People just don't care.  That's the insidious aspect of the American Dream.  Every imagines when they grow up, get rich, and don't have to pay taxes.

We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes.

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1891335_1891333_1891317,00.html

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There's another narrative The People also enjoy: the assholes who get theirs.  Nobody was sorry to see the gangsters go down via their tax evasions, etc.

It's a very ancient narrative, particularly prominent in the late Medieval and Renaissance eras: the Wheel of Fortune.  He who is up today is down tomorrow and the wheel goes 'round, 'round, 'round.  The harder they come the harder the fall, one and all.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

I see Brad Parscale has been detained in Florida because it was feared he would self-harm. Apparently a 911 call was made by his wife, saying he was threatening to do so and had access to firearms.

He will always be remembered as the idiot that was duped by "bazllions" of false campaign event ticket sales to savvy teenage social media users, who promptly no-showed the Trump event.

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One funny thing about Trump's taxes is it seems to confirm what many thought, that the reason he wouldn't release them is because all of the above was the answer. Fraud. Check. Massive debts. Check. Not as rich as he says. Check. Tax cheat. Check. And still there's more. This is going to drip out for a while.

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Coming out of England right now. Not only his financial criminal actions, but his criminal election fraud actions.  This is part of the Cambridge Analytica - Russian - Facebook 2016 election fraud and other illegal political activities, including who got paid to do what.

 

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5 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

There is something going on in Ohio, it appears as if Biden has a modest lead there currently. Of course, some of this is driven by the Fox News poll putting Biden +5 there, but Trump's chances have eroded since early September, and its now a toss up. The Goodyear nonsense cant have helped.

The middle to upper-middle class suburbs here have turned against Trumpism and are going overwhelmingly to Biden. These are areas that Romney probably won but will go 60-40 (possibly higher) against Trump this November

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